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Offline Nimrod45

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« on: July 01, 2007, 02:26:08 PM »
I know it lost to the B-25 in the last vote but hopefully they will think about new aditions pretty soon.  The P-39 should be the next one we get, it made a major contribution to WWII, it wasn't thought of highly by the Amaricans but it help hold the line untill something better came along.  The Russians used it to devastating effect and continued to use it against late war Germain aircraft.  It would be a great low level dog fighter and attack aircraft, this is a WWII game and without the P-39 it isn't complete.

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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2007, 03:47:51 PM »
TOTALLY AGREED!!!!:aok

We do need the P-39.  I would also like to see a few more aircraft added but i'm not gonna start whining to get them.  HTC will do what they want and i encourage them cuz this is ONE AWESOME GAME!!!:aok

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2007, 04:09:32 PM »
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The P-39 should be the next one we get



We need other planes more then the P39.
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2007, 04:46:16 PM »
Personally, I would like to see the Beaufighter and the He-111
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2007, 05:18:55 PM »
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hopefully they will think about new aditions pretty soon


We haven't even gotten the B-25 yet, so I think It's going to be quite a while before HTC even considers adding another aircraft. But I totally agree, sometime down the road, the P-39 should definitely be added to this game.
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2007, 07:27:35 PM »
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We need other planes more then the P39.


No other plane would fill as many holes.


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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2007, 08:17:08 PM »
Bronk there are alot more planes needed to fill in the holes and even more that should have been in the planeset long long ago. P39 is one of them but it shouldnt be on the top of the list.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2007, 08:47:08 PM »
we will not see the B25 for atleast 3month,it is going to come out on patch 2.11,and it is only patch 2.10,and i do agree with larry, the p39 is just like the yak-9T,many people would not like it,it only has 30ish rounds of 37MM.We no need more german bombers,jap bombers,russian fighters maybe.The P39 is not that great,if you want the power of the 37MM fly the yak-9T.The P39 is low on the list for me,even thow i dont like bombing,we do need a more different selection of bombers,we have enought american fighters and bombers,need more of the Axis items(bombers, fighters).
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2007, 09:01:47 PM »
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Bronk there are alot more planes needed to fill in the holes and even more that should have been in the planeset long long ago. P39 is one of them but it shouldnt be on the top of the list.


Name one plane that fills as many holes.
P-39= pac, med and russian theaters of operation.
No other ac does that.

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2007, 09:05:09 PM »
Bronk was the same version used in all of the theaters?
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2007, 09:05:56 PM »
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we will not see the B25 for atleast 3month,it is going to come out on patch 2.11,and it is only patch 2.10,and i do agree with larry, the p39 is just like the yak-9T,many people would not like it,it only has 30ish rounds of 37MM.We no need more german bombers,jap bombers,russian fighters maybe.The P39 is not that great,if you want the power of the 37MM fly the yak-9T.The P39 is low on the list for me,even thow i dont like bombing,we do need a more different selection of bombers,we have enought american fighters and bombers,need more of the Axis items(bombers, fighters).


The p-39 can carry ords or a DTs lets see a yak-t do that. Also secondary weapons are double that of the T.
Ohh and BTW  the 39 can be skinned as russian, so that's a russian fighter.

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2007, 09:08:46 PM »
Larry I think they got revision as they were released.
I believe the Q versions were based on russian recommendations for improvements.


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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2007, 10:26:03 PM »
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Bronk, was the same version used in all of the theaters?


I agree the addition of the Airacobra would be welcome, but as the Russians got half the P-39's, and nearly all the P63's, if added, it should be a Lend Lease version and placed in the Russian plane set:  P-39D-1, P-39D-2, and P-39Q Airacobra and probably a number of P-39N's all saw action in Russia.
The second-highest scoring Allied ace, Aleksandr Pokryshkin, flew the P-39 from late 1942 until the end of the war; his unofficial score in the Airacobra stands at about 43 planes shot down of the 59 Luftwaffe aircraft total he was credited for, and the unofficial believed to be near 80 planes altogether. His wingman, Grigori Rechkalov, scored 57 victories including most with  the P-39.   Sasha also flew the Yak-1, Mig-3, La-5, and La-7 (and possible the P-63 against the Lend Lease agreements), but most of his victories were in the P-39.
I think, if the P39 were added, it should be default skin of 16 GIAP of the VVS and placed the the Russian plane set as a nod to Sasha and Lend Lease.


Bell P-39C Airacobra    First production version. Powered by 1 × Alison V-1710-35, rated at 1,150 hp (857 kW). These aircraft were used for the serviceability of the P-39, not as front-line aircraft. This version was armed with 1 × 37 mm cannon, 15 rounds, 2 × 0.50 in (12,7 mm) guns, 200 rounds each, and 1 × 0.3 in (7.62 mm) gun, 500 rounds, for help with sighting of the cannon.Number built: 20

Bell P-39D Airacobra    The first operational variant differed from it's predecessor in a number of ways:
    * armament was changed to 1 × 37 mm and 2 × 0.50 in (12 mm) guns in the nose, plus 4 × 0.3 in (7.62 mm) in the wings (no "aiming" 0.3 in gun anymore)
    * armor to protect the pilot
    * self-sealing fuel tanks
    * Changes to the vertical tail (dorsal fin fillet added)
    * Hardpoint for a single 250-lb, 325-lb, or 500-lb bomb, or a drop tank under the fuselage.
Two different sub variants were built:
    * P-39D-1: Built for the RAF, and fitted with a 20 mm Hispano cannon (60 rounds) in stead of the 37 mm one. (519 built)
    * P-39D-2: Powered with 1 × Alison V-1710-63 , rated at 1,325 hp (988 kW); restored the 37 mm cannon; provisions for a single 145 US gallon drop tank under the fuselage.
The British aircraft were declared unfit for the Western European theater, and shipped to Russia to aid them. A couple of the originals were held back by the USAAF, and the were refitted and redesigned to trainers..
Number built: 923

Bell P-39F Airacobra    To be ahead of a possible lack in Curtiss Electric propellers, the P-39F received a Aeroproducts propeller. Some of these aircraft were later refitted:
    * P-39F-2: Additional armor protection under the fuselage for ground attack, and reconnaissance cameras
There were 27 aircraft adapted to this subvariant
Number built: 229

Bell P-39J Airacobra    The last 25 P-39F's were fitted with 1 × Alison V-1710-59 engine, and were re-designated accordingly
Number built: 25

Bell P-39K Airacobra    Similar to the P-39J, the P-39K was powered by 1 × Alison V-1710-63, rated at 1,325 hp (988 kW). Also the propeller was an Aeroproducts metal propeller of the constant speed type. About six were converted to:
    * P-39K-2: Additional armor protection under the fuselage for ground attack, and reconnaissance cameras
Number built: 210

Bell P-39L Airacobra    Identical to the P-39K, except for the Curtiss Electric propeller. 11 Aircraft were converted to:
    * P-39L-2: Additional armor protection under the fuselage for ground attack, and reconnaissance cameras
Number built: 250

Bell P-39M Airacobra    Identical to the P-39L, except for the Aeroproducts propeller and the engine: 1 × Alison V-1710-83, rated at 1,200 hp (895 kW). Because of the changes the P-39M was 10 Mph (16 km/h) faster than the P-39L At a top level speed of 370 Mph (595 km/h). 8 Aircraft were converted to:
    * P-39M-2: Additional armor protection under the fuselage for ground attack, and reconnaissance cameras
Number built: 240

Bell P-39N Airacobra    First large-scale production model.    
* 2 × 0.50 in fixed forward-firing in the upper side of the nose, 200 rounds each
* 4 × 0.3 in fixed forward-firing in the wings, 1000 rounds each
* Cannons 1 × 37 mm M4 fixed; 30 rounds
During the production some improvements were incorporated, like a bigger propeller, more fuel capacity, better radio equipment, a revised oxygen system , lighter armor and bullet proof glass behind the pilot. A number of aircraft were converted to the following sub-variants:
    * P-39N-2: Modified for ground attack and reconnaissance (128 converted)
    * P-39N-3: Modified for ground attack and reconnaissance (35 converted)
    * P-39N-6: Modified for ground attack and reconnaissance (84 converted)
Number built: 2095

Bell P-39Q Airacobra    Final production version. This version differed mainly in it's armament from it's predecessors: 1 × 37 mm cannon, 2 × 0.50 in (12 mm) guns in the nose, and 2 × 0.50 in (12 mm) in underwing fairings under the outer wing. Other changes during the production mainly concerned it's propeller, which switched from an Aeroproducts 3-bladed model to a 4-bladed model, and back to a 3-bladed (but larger) model again. The P-39Q-30 reverted to a three-bladed propeller because the four-bladed unit worsened directional stability..
Number built: 4905

P-400 Airacobra I - P-39D for Royal Air Force, briefly called Caribou; Hispano 20 mm cannon (60 rounds) instead of the 37 mm cannon. A total of 200 were requisitioned by USAAF after Pearl Harbor; most were used for training, but some saw service in the Southwest Pacific.  A number of aircraft were ordered by France or Britain, but were never delivered due to capitulation or unsatisfactory evaluation (respectively). The remainder that was used by the USAAF was re-designated to P-400, mainly because it had a different armament.
Number built: about 400


Of these, I'd go with the P-39D-1, P-39D-2, (both EW IIRC) or the P-39Q (MW?) configuration.

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2007, 11:13:36 PM »
'Over Russia the call "Airacobra!" was heard and dreaded by the Luftwaffe because the Soviets equipped a group made up of the best fighter aces with this type of aircraft. They painted their airplanes red and called themselves "Red Guards," and they accounted well for themselves. Hartmann, as is evident from his No.1 logbook, shot down eighteen Airacobras up to 29 October 1943. He estimates another fifteen fell to his guns before the war ended.'
-The Blond Knight of Germany (a biography of Erich Hartmann)

Looking at Hartmann's first kill logbook, two planes really seem to be the 'principle fighter' of the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front: the La-5 and the P-39.
I'd think something used in large numbers with success would be something we'd want, no?

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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2007, 12:41:46 AM »
I don't think anything fills as many holes, but there are many things that fill much, much bigger holes.
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