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Offline Angus

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« Reply #135 on: July 08, 2007, 08:48:20 AM »
"LOL...never mind that cats carry a multitude of diseases, ranging from feline distemper all the way up to bubonic plague, which can directly cross over to humans by way of parasites. As well, feral cats cannot be controlled no matter what you think you can do. Ask a little town in florida, Boca Raton, and a school by name of FAU about it. They've been battling feral cats for 30 years now. They've tried poison...unsuccessful. They trapped... unsuccessful. They even shot....nope."

So would you prefer snakes INSTEAD of cats for vermin contest.
I belive the bigger disease cause is rats and mice actually, and their count is large. Very large.
Rats and mice cause incredible damage to structures, systems and especially food products. And they're one heck of an allergy producer as well.
Ask any farmer, really.
However, since MrCathater has posted of disease, yes some are related to cats. Cat pee for instance can cause miscarriage amongst other mammals (maybe a chemical weapon of old to create food?), so many farmers cut down cats that pick up the habit of peeing in the hayfeed (some do and others don't) And cats can sometimes overpopulate, and here comes the bad part, - I have for instance shot them by the dozens untill the number was acceptable! And it jolly well worked.
To ask about how to keep this or that stock high or low, ask the farmers BTW,  - You have lots of cows in the USA, but few buffalos today. It was the way of the gun paving for agriculture....
As for the notorious attack cats, I belive they're called lions and tigers etc. The other ones just give you minimal wounds, - just healed from my last one :D
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« Reply #136 on: July 08, 2007, 08:54:30 AM »
angus, you have never had a cat diagnosed with feline luekemia?  google that for an eye opener.

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« Reply #137 on: July 08, 2007, 09:02:11 AM »
Google black death while I'm at it :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #138 on: July 08, 2007, 09:06:44 AM »
"Just healing from my last one". So, they will attack you. And I know that they don't always just cause minor injuries, when they attack little kids, they can do worse damage than sankes. Snakes don't claw your eyes out, they don't leave you with scars covering most of your face, and they don't usually come running at you. And like you said, you ahs to shoot scores of them. Why not solve the problem, no cats, no having to kill them. And the killing of the buffalo was one of the worst things that happened. Used to, there were thousands of buffalo on the prairie, now there are almost none. People killed them just for their hides, or just for fun, leaving the rest to rot. Wastefull. Stupid. The indians were right in going to war with the white man.

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« Reply #139 on: July 08, 2007, 09:11:03 AM »
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Google black death while I'm at it :D
racist :D

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« Reply #140 on: July 08, 2007, 03:48:26 PM »
Wasn't me that invented the name :D
And McCathand, I was catching a cornered off freaked-out kitten. The critter bit and scratched, and since I knew how little it was, as well as totally not venomous I allowed it to bite itself stuck on my hand while I grabbed it with my other one.
Didn't really bother to put gloves on this time, and this little one fought bravely :p
Which brings you to venomous snakes. They can kill a kid with a single bite, and the provocation is crawling in the grass.
A wild kitten will haul ass.
As for the locations and circumstances, snakes will sometimes seek the warm spots of human habitats.
I have one from WW2 for you....
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« Reply #141 on: July 08, 2007, 06:13:20 PM »
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And the killing of the buffalo was one of the worst things that happened. Used to, there were thousands of buffalo on the prairie, now there are almost none.  


And yet another misconception.

"Bison raising recently has become a viable enterprise for small farms and ranches.  Selling bison meat has become a $650 million industry, according to the Department of Agriculture (USDA), which predicts bison ranching “could have a small but significant future as an important niche in the livestock market.” Bison meat is a nutrient-dense food higher in protein and lower in fat, cholesterol and calories than other meats, and buffalo tend to be more self-sufficient than domestic cattle. The USDA reported that 12,580 bison were raised on Wyoming ranches in 2002."

That`s just Wyoming. There were around 35,000 processed for meat last year.
The American Bison or buffalo is doing just fine.
I was standing in the middle of a great herd two years ago in South Dakota. Awesome animals.
While I agree there was a great waste in the hay day of the buffalo hunter, it is also a fact that the great herds had to be thinned and could not have existed alongside the present population.
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« Reply #142 on: July 08, 2007, 09:01:43 PM »
As for what you said aboot snakes being crawling in the grass, most snakes will run rather than bite. They don't want to waste their venom on something they can't eat. It takes time to make that venom, and they need it for hunting. They prefer to just get out of there. Most snake bites occur when they are picked up, people kill them and think they are dead and pick them up, and when cornered and must protect themselves. It's an old myth thta snakes will chase people. Even in that case, if it were true, most people can run faster than snakes. And I've had cats that for no reason what so ever, just bit me or clawed me. I've seen them grab hold of  a man's leg and sink every claw they had in, and then bite him repeatedly. The man couldn't hardly tear him off.

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« Reply #143 on: July 08, 2007, 09:21:07 PM »
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well so much for the assertion that "hispanics have an unexplanable fear of reptiles"  here's a whole anglo-saxon country that exhibits that very fear.


I didn't know that Hispanics were scared of reptiles. Nothing really wrong with that since I guess there is a general  irrational fear of snakes anyway.

We do have at least one native reptile in NZ, but no snakes. A lot of kiwis live over the ditch in Aussie where it's teeming with snakes, so there's a stronger reason why snakes are kept out of NZ other than any "unexplainable fear of reptiles". Snakes wouldn't fit in here. If imported snakes got loose and multiplied they would just add to a long list of unwelcome invaders that are destructive to NZs delicate ecosystem.

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« Reply #144 on: July 08, 2007, 09:27:20 PM »
I always carry a speedloader of snake shot with my .44Mag
Vote R.E. Lee '24

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« Reply #145 on: July 09, 2007, 03:36:48 AM »
This is nice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakebite

"Sturdy over-the-ankle boots, loose clothing and responsible behavior offer effective protection from snakebites when in the wilderness. It is important to tread heavily and cause loud ground noises. The rationale behind this is that the snake will feel the vibrations and flee from the area. However, this generally only applies to North America as some larger and more aggressive snakes in other parts of the world, such as king cobras and black mambas, will actually protect their territory"

"A late 1950s study estimated that 45,000 snakebites occur each year in the United States.[2] Despite this large number, only 7,000 to 8,000 of those snakebites are actually caused by venomous snakes, resulting in an average of 10 deaths"

"Of the 120 known indigenous snake species in North America, only 20 are venomous to human beings, all belonging to the families Viperidae and Elapidae.[5] However, every state except Maine, Alaska, and Hawaii is home to at least one of 20 venomous snake species."

Seems that there is no special reason to pack any armour except if your environment has too many snakes. But like I said, I wouldn't want my kids being swamped by poisoned snakes.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #146 on: July 09, 2007, 03:58:46 AM »
Pilot story:

My guardian Angels were back on the job again the night we arrived back from Algiers. As I have already mentioned ,we placed our field-cots in slit-trenches in our tents for protection against possible bomb or shell blast. On leaving the mess to go to bed we usually did not bother to light our oil lanterns or candles, but undressed in the dark and slipped in between the blankets. For some inexplicable reason I broke the routine this evening. I lifted up the corner of the blanket and shone under it with my flashlight and discovered a coiled-up snake. I grabbed my revolver and sent this would-be bedfellow to join his ancestors. It turned out to ba about three feet long and there were various opinions about how poisonus it was. However, I belived in safety first; I had no desire going to bed with a snake.

Algiers 1943
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« Reply #147 on: July 09, 2007, 04:05:37 AM »
You left out a few facts.

"Victims are typically male and between 17 and 27 years of age." - The people trying to capture or kill them.

"A late 1950s study estimated that 45,000 snakebites occur each year in the United States.[2] Despite this large number, only 7,000 to 8,000 of those snakebites are actually caused by venomous snakes, resulting in an average of 10 deaths.[3][4] This puts the chance of survival at roughly 499 out of 500."

"Most snakebite related deaths in the United States are attributed to eastern and western diamondback rattlesnake bites. Children and the elderly are most likely to die (Gold & Wingert 1994). The state of North Carolina has the highest frequency of reported snakebites, averaging approximately 19 bites per 100,000 persons. The national average is roughly 4 bites per 100,000 persons.[4]" - eastern and western diamondbacks.

"Of the roughly 3,000 known species of snake found worldwide, only 15 percent are considered dangerous to humans.[5] Snakes are found on every continent except Antarctica. The most diverse and widely distributed snake family, the Colubrids, has only a few members which are harmful to humans. Of the 120 known indigenous snake species in North America, only 20 are venomous to human beings, all belonging to the families Viperidae and Elapidae.[5] However, every state except Maine, Alaska, and Hawaii is home to at least one of 20 venomous snake species.[6]" - Only 1 species. Not every species.

"Since the act of delivering venom is completely voluntary, all venomous snakes are capable of biting without injecting venom into their victim. Such snakes will often deliver such a "dry bite" (about 50% of the time)[7] rather than waste their venom on a creature too large for them to eat." - They will not always inject venom, and then rarely enough to kill.

"The most common symptoms of all snakebites are panic, fear and emotional instability, which may cause symptoms such as nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, vertigo, fainting, tachycardia, and cold, clammy skin.[8] Television, literature, and folklore are in part responsible for the hype surrounding snakebites, and a victim may have unwarranted thoughts of imminent death." - Panic and fear. Shock causes most of the deaths from snakebites as well.

"But like I said, I wouldn't want my kids being swamped by poisoned snakes" - Snakes breed and grow too slowly to have problems out of there being too many of them, as natural predators and keep their populations down. In fact, they are in a steady decline due to too much people. Most of the problem with them coming into contact with people is habitat loss.

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« Reply #148 on: July 09, 2007, 05:21:09 AM »
BOOM........good snake.
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« Reply #149 on: July 09, 2007, 05:48:57 AM »
12 gauge, double ought buckshot, from 15 to 20 feet away.. no muss, no fuss, snake goes away mostly.

Mostly.

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