Japanese debate on Nuclear Bombings

[Dowding]

I have been to Germany.

When and where? It seems you must have spent your time with neo-Nazis. Given we know that you are still at school, I'm interested in how you have gained this insight.

From my trips to Germany, I found the people friendly and helpful on the whole. Berlin was fantastic. The Germans I have met through work are like any other people - some even have a sense of humour.

But I'm sorry to say there are still people in that country, many in fact who persecuted the Jews, waged war with the allies, or sat and watch it happen, all three are as bad as each other

You are making yourself look stupid. The war started nearly 70 years ago. That generation is all but gone, and to claim that there are 'many who persecuted the jews' even alive is loony toons talk. They probably account for less than 1% of the current German population.

He is trying mock our past and our forefathers actions, maybe he should look back on his own before he decides that we were so terrible. Or is it because he's German he gets some special treatment and bypass to this process?

People who actuallly fought in that war have learnt to let it go - I would contend that a schoolboy born at least 45 years after its end is on shaky ground when it comes to assuming a mantle of righteous indignation. Ghosth has done nothing wrong - its testament to the sacrifices that our forefathers made that he can speak his mind and that Germany is free. You are missing the point about WW2 if you cannot see that.

BTW, your views in this thread and the one you started seem to have rather strong parallels with BNP ideology. Obsession with 'Ze Germans' is so very 1970s.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Elfie
Not quite the fight you seem to think it was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_August_Storm

"August Storm"!?

Next please.

Slogans like "Decisive Failure" or "Wineglass Storm" are a modern American invention.

In this case I'd better trust Soviet sources then wikipedian hallucinations.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Boroda
In this case I'd better trust Soviet sources then wikipedian hallucinations.

Who's hallucinations?  

[Boroda]

Originally posted by 68ROX
November 8, 1942, "Operation Torch", Allies invade North Africa and pincer Axis forces from Egypt and Lybia on the East, and Tunisia from the West.  Torch was the largest amphibious invasion in military history up to that time.  (My great-uncle was with Patton's Corp).


July 9th, 1943, "Operation Husky", Allies invade Sicily, bringing the promised "Second European Front", which could not be accomplished with Axis troops running around North Africa.


All the while US and British bomber formations flying missions (USAAF duing the day, RAF at night) bombing tank and airplane factories as well as other strategic targets... and by JANUARY of 1943....hitting Berlin, bringing the war to Hitler's own back yard.

At the same time, US forces "Island Hopped" from the doorstep of Australia to the southern tip of the Japanese Home Islands.

Compare it to numbers of the forces involved at the Eastern Front.

BTW, Soviet Air Force bombed Berlin for the first time in Summer 1941.

Originally posted by 68ROX
I don't know where you got your history books from Boroda, but if it were me, I'd take them back to the store and get a refund for my hard earned rubles.


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68ROX

Typical delusions of the so-called "free world". We had all kinds of historical books in USSR, including Western authors translated and printed in huge numbers here since 1950s. I have read more translated Western book then written by Soviet authors.

How many Soviet history book did You read? Your "freedom of speech" means that you have only one approved point of view.

Calling Husky as a "promised Second Front in Europe" is a brave attempt to save the face. Using approximately 1% of the troops involved in the Eastern Front

[Boroda]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
Who's hallucinations?  

Didn't you know that Wikipedia is written by Wikipederatsts?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
You should really do some research befor you make such statements.

Revistan was built in the US of A.

Tsarivitch was built in France.

The Borodino class was based on the Tsarivitch.

Osliabia was French built.

Many of the Russian ships were modelled after British warships such as the Peresviet class inspired by the HMS Centurion.

My hat off, for the first time I meet a foreigner who can discuss Russo-Japanese war.

My friend, I have a bookshelf full of books on that tragic war, including British and even Polish authors.

Retvisan and Tsesarevich were in the First Pacific Task Force based at Port Artur, so they didn't take part in Tsushima battle. Tsesarevich was Witgeft's flagship in a Battle of Yellow Sea, when one lucky shot made Russian order collapse, and Retvizan (repaired after Jan 27th torpedo hit) went into suicide attack to save it.  

Borodino class were indeed based on Tsesarevich idea, but they were all designed and built completely by shipyards in SPb. Later Andrey Pervozvanniy became probably the most advanced pre-dreadnaught battleship, also based on Borodino design. AFAIK putting 6" cannons (on Tsesarevich and Borodino) and then 8" (on Andrey Pervozvanniy) in turrets was a Russian idea implemented by French.

Oslyabya was originally designed and built in SPb, should I look for a shipyard name? It was a questionable design, light armor and huge autonomy - more like a raider, so it was sunk in the first minutes of Tsushima battle.

OTOH all Japanese battleships were built in the UK, heavy armored cruisers - in Italy and UK, and so on. Russia at that time was absolutely unable to compete with industrial powers like UK, Germany or France.

It may be really nice if we'll start another thread discussing Russo-Japanese war, I'll appreciate any opinions and share my information.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Boroda
Calling Husky as a "promised Second Front in Europe" is a brave attempt to save the face. Using approximately 1% of the troops involved in the Eastern Front

If the commies had got off their butts and attacked Japan, there would have been more troops for a western second front offensive.

Also remember the west was not as dumb as the commies. They attacked where the least amount of casualties would occure.

[MiloMorai]

You missed the point Borada. Without the west the, Russians would have had nothing.

Russia at that time was absolutely unable to compete with industrial powers like UK, Germany or France.

Yes still in the Dark Ages.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
If the commies had got off their butts and attacked Japan, there would have been more troops for a western second front offensive.

Also remember the west was not as dumb as the commies. They attacked where the least amount of casualties would occure.

Let me count to 10...

mmm.

Now. Did we have a choice in June 1941?

Sometimes you guys speak such beautiful refined nonsense that it can be easily used in propaganda purposes by our left/conservative media.

[DREDIOCK]

Dunno. Seems to me you invade a continent  when you have the men and resources in place to conduct a successful invasion and not just send men out to be slaughtered

Not based on the whines and whims of the head of state from a different country.

42 would have been unrealistic. As while on paper the Americans had an army it was largely just that a paper army with many of its forces untrained and unequipped.

Im currently reading a Book on D-Day in the soldeirs own words.
I'll have to go back t near the beginning but there are several mentioning of how when alot of these men joined up after Pearl Harbor. Alot of these units were using sticks as guns or WWI issue guns for training
In once instance its mentioned there was 1 machine gun. For his entire company!
This was in 1942

It takes time to train soldiers in sufficient numbers to conduct an invasion the size that would be needed to be successful

And it take alot of material on hand to readily equip and keep these forces supplied

There is an old military saying that goes
"Amatures think strategy. Professionals think logistics"

Militarily speaking Stalin was an amature.

But before becomming a professional butcher of human beings
I hear he was a hell of a clerk and propoganda newspaper editor though

[68ROX]

Originally posted by Boroda
Compare it to numbers of the forces involved at the Eastern Front..

THAT is YOUR well thought out, tort? See below.

Originally posted by Boroda
BTW, Soviet Air Force bombed Berlin for the first time in Summer 1941.

An amazing feat, considering the war with the USSR didn't begin until June 22 of that year...with the Luftwaffe destroying over 90% of then operational aircraft in the first few days of the offensive.  With total air superiority on the front by the Luftwaffe, you are saying that SOVIET BOMBERS (at distance far exceeding a Tupelov's range) bombed Berlin?

PLEASE send us some of the weed you are smoking dude.

 

Originally posted by Boroda
 How many Soviet history book did You read? Your "freedom of speech" means that you have only one approved point of view..

.........enough to know someone who is brain-washed when I see one.

I have read historic records on the subject from authors from the USSR, USA, UK, Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, Japan, Italy, and Romania.

Soviet books were exchanged with an amateur radio friend in Minsk.

I recommend another author you might enjoy....Alexander Solzinytzen, you probably havent heard of him though.

Originally posted by Boroda
Calling Husky as a "promised Second Front in Europe" is a brave attempt to save the face. Using approximately 1% of the troops involved in the Eastern Front


At this point I have no CLUE where you are getting your facts.  

Numbers?  Numbers?

What are numbers when by his own admission, General Georgi Zhukov admitted that he forced infantry to go in advance of armored units to clear the way of mines...so by sacrificeing his own men to death, he was able to spare more tanks.

Eisenhower nearly threw up when Zhukov told him that.

If you wish to continue on this "The Soviet Union Saved The World" singlehandedly soap-box, knock youself out...just understand the rest of the planet sees your posts and is having a real.....


Good luck with that...


68ROX

[Boroda]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
You missed the point Borada. Without the west the, Russians would have had nothing.

 Yes still in the Dark Ages.

Without Russians so-called "free world" now had to speak German, I mean - those who were left.

It takes me more and more effort to stay calm listening to your bigotry. What's next?

[MiloMorai]

Tell me Borada what the west was doing from Sept 1939 til June 1941.

Now what was Stalin doing? Oh yes, he was in bed making lovey dovey with Adolf.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Boroda
Without Russians so-called "free world" now had to speak German, I mean - those who were left.

It takes me more and more effort to stay calm listening to your bigotry. What's next?

Was talking about the war of 1905.

What does your brainwashing tell you about the Allied air offensive against Germany? Lucky for the commies that there was, for the commies would not have got as far as they did.

[MiloMorai]

Yes 68ROX, they did. Bit of a botch job though.