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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2007, 05:53:53 PM »
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Indeed, yes.


Well as much as I disagree with Boroda in many cases, I side with him on this thread. I think Russia is quite a nation, and have given the world quite an input to many a good thing. Inventions, art, structures, and humane thoughts.
As well as bad things.

Anyway, this thread is doomed to be locked.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2007, 05:55:18 PM »
Oh, and while I'm at it, the frigging SWEDES bombarded Krakow a long time ago. Wawel castle,- a beautiful site.

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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2007, 07:13:34 PM »
borada styll not here and wth am i doing on this board at 3:09 am my time?>runs to bed to dream of hurt and boroda fist fighting
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« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2007, 08:00:53 PM »
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borada styll not here and wth am i doing on this board at 3:09 am my time?>runs to bed to dream of hurt and boroda fist fighting


He probably came too close to letting slip with some state secrets, and the party took his PC away and sent him to the gulag...

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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2007, 08:08:35 PM »
This has happend since as well

1983: Korean airliner 'shot down'

All 269 people on board the Korean Airlines flight KAL 007 are presumed dead.

Moscow has so far only admitted to an incident with an "unidentified aircraft" in Soviet airspace.

The Boeing 747 was flying from the USA to Seoul via Anchorage. It is believed to have strayed north of its scheduled course towards the Soviet island of Sakhalin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/1/newsid_2493000/2493469.stm
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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2007, 10:53:34 PM »
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This has happend since as well

1983: Korean airliner 'shot down'

All 269 people on board the Korean Airlines flight KAL 007 are presumed dead.

Moscow has so far only admitted to an incident with an "unidentified aircraft" in Soviet airspace.

The Boeing 747 was flying from the USA to Seoul via Anchorage. It is believed to have strayed north of its scheduled course towards the Soviet island of Sakhalin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/1/newsid_2493000/2493469.stm


The Soviets thought it was an RC135. Had they thought it was actually KAL007, they definitely wouldn't of shot it down.
Kind of like us accidentally shooting down the Iranian airliner in the Persian Gulf. Tragic accidents.
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« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2007, 04:34:47 AM »
When you're a flea on a bear's butt it is not wise to provoke them by biting too hard ... or by flying slow lumbering spy planes close to their borders when the RAF and USAF are violating their airspace almost on a weekly basis with, at that time, uninterceptable spy planes. The Russians were trigger-happy during the cold war, but they were hardly unique in that respect.




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This has happend since as well

1983: Korean airliner 'shot down'

All 269 people on board the Korean Airlines flight KAL 007 are presumed dead.

Moscow has so far only admitted to an incident with an "unidentified aircraft" in Soviet airspace.

The Boeing 747 was flying from the USA to Seoul via Anchorage. It is believed to have strayed north of its scheduled course towards the Soviet island of Sakhalin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/1/newsid_2493000/2493469.stm



And this:

"Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was a commercial flight operated by Iran Air that flew from Bandar Abbas, Iran to Dubai, UAE. On Sunday July 3, 1988, towards the end of the Iran Iraq War, the aircraft flying IR655 was shot down by the U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes between Bandar Abbas and Dubai, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children. The Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters at the time."

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« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2007, 05:18:53 AM »
Theres only one thing for it...install a new Tsar clone, annex Finland, Estonia and invade imperial russia to regain the glorious Sweeeeeedish Empire!!

Or live in peace and quiet with your life partner Norway, and invite Finland, the Baltic states and Russia to the civil union to talk out your differences...

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« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2007, 05:31:07 AM »
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When you're a flea on a bear's butt it is not wise to provoke them by biting too hard ... or by flying slow lumbering spy planes close to their borders when the RAF and USAF are violating their airspace almost on a weekly basis with, at that time, uninterceptable spy planes. The Russians were trigger-happy during the cold war, but they were hardly unique in that respect.
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In international airspace we can fly whatever we want.

And you seem to be missinformed as usual, the US was not flying this route at all at the time. This because a US aircraft had been shot down in the same area less than a year before. So much for the uninterceptable US spy planes flying there on a weekly basis.

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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2007, 06:14:15 AM »
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In international airspace we can fly whatever we want.


And the Soviets could shoot you down wherever they want since they were a huge nuclear  superpower while you were just an annoying speck at their borders.



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And you seem to be missinformed as usual, the US was not flying this route at all at the time. This because a US aircraft had been shot down in the same area less than a year before. So much for the uninterceptable US spy planes flying there on a weekly basis.


Which shoot down would that be?



29 April 1952
    A DC-4 of Air France was shot at by two MiG-15s when approaching Berlin. The aircraft was damaged and three passengers wounded.
13 June 1952
    A RB-29 over the Sea of Japan, near Hokkaido.
7 October 1952
    A RB-29 over the Kurile Islands.
29 November 1952
    A China Air Transport C-47 on a mission to pick up agent Li Chun-ying was shot down over China. CAT pilots Snoddy and Schwartz were killed. CIA agents Richard Fectau and John Downey were captured and held in China until 1972/73. Some sources place this incident as happening a year later.
12 January 1953
    A B-29 on a leaflet-dropping mission over Manchuria. The 11 crew members were taken prisoner by the Chinese and released in 1955.
18 January 1953
    A P2V over Formosa Strait.
10 March 1953
    Two USAF F-84Gs based in West Germany crossed into Czechoslovakian airspace, and were intercepted by MiG-15s. One was shot down.
12 March 1953.
    A RAF Lincoln was shot down over East Germany.
29 July 1953
    An RB-50 over the Sea of Japan. Only one of the 17 crewmembers was rescued, but there are rumours that others were taken prisoners by the USSR.
Summer 1953
    It is claimed that a RAF Canberra, possibly a modified B Mk.2, suffered damage during a spy flight over the USSR. This event remains a mystery,
17 August 1953
    A T-6 over the Korean demilitarized zone.


The fact is that both the RAF and USAAF (CIA) were regularly violating Soviet airspace at the time. The Canberra was all but uninterceptable at the time and regularly overflew Soviet missile complex' and testing grounds.

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« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2007, 06:49:53 AM »
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In international airspace we can fly whatever we want.

And you seem to be missinformed as usual, the US was not flying this route at all at the time. This because a US aircraft had been shot down in the same area less than a year before. So much for the uninterceptable US spy planes flying there on a weekly basis. [/B]


Wasn't it Swedish state that admitted several years ago that Swedish planes were used by American intelligence on spy-missions since late-40s?...

As for "getting back your Eastern provinces" - ask Finns :D

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« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2007, 07:08:57 AM »
How many Soviet a/c were shot down when intruding into American airspace?

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« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2007, 07:22:39 AM »
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How many Soviet a/c were shot down when intruding into American airspace?


How many Soviet aircraft violated US airspace?

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« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2007, 07:25:36 AM »
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How many Soviet aircraft violated US airspace?

Too many to list.

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« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2007, 07:45:54 AM »
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Too many to list.


Every such accident was in the media, wasn't it?

Ask Toad about his job in the Air Force where he was "plotting ingress routes" for your bombers. US spy planes did violate Soviet airspace routinely several times a week for decades.