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Offline Viking

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« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2007, 11:35:53 AM »
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Don't hate ya Viking...


Just like I don't hate America.
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« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2007, 11:50:58 AM »
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Nit-picking semantics now are we? The incident where the US plane was damaged was less than a year before.


Sure it was.



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Actually Viking, I know quite alot about this, while you are googling your way to knowledge. See Ive actually worked with trying to find the DC-3. Ive spent days in Swedish archives going over all the documents there is on this incident. See I used to work for a wreck-salvaging company before I went to the court, and we were looking for the DC-3 because it would be an enormous PR-win if we found what the Swedish navy had been unable to find for 50+ years.

So Ive read the documents, including the radio-logs for those days. So I know for example that after the shoot-down of the Catalina, all Swedish naval units and aircraft were ordered to shoot on sight if any soviet fighter appeared. Yes, shoot on sight, not fire if fired upon, or fire if they make any hostile movement...fire on sight.  Thats how tense the situation was, and you didnt know that.

I also know where the soviet submarines were sighted off Gotland those days, and I know which destroyers found which oil-spills and where. And I know WHY the DC-3 were out that day.

Want to know why Viking?

Because the Soviets had just launched a brand new cruiser, the Sverdlov, and it was on manuevers together with a bunch of soviet fleet units off Estonia. Everyone wanted the fingerprints of the Sverdlov radar, so therefore we were out that day.

Now, back to google little tard. Check the dates to see when the Sverdlov was launched, check the internet for information about what type of ship the Sverdlov was...google your way to knowledhge and then you can come back here and pretend you knew all these things already.


Funny then that you spend so much time before whining about it. I mean seeing how I saw this on the news two or three years ago when they found the plane. Your anger and indignation seems a bit ... late. Or perhaps I should say slow.



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No, but I did.


Just like you to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to your opponent. It's called a straw man argument, and it's just like you lawyer scum to use such rhetorical techniques.
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« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2007, 11:59:29 AM »
I have had many friendships with folks in the Soviet Union/Russia over the years.

Back in the late 1980's/early 90's for example, my friend Gary in Minsk and I would exchange books and technical stuff.  Anything from history, politics, and travel to technical information.

One book, on the history of the Kremlin, is still one of my favorites, a few more on The Great Patriotic War were very insightful.  

I was impressed that he had built his entire ham station (transmitter, receiver, and antenna tuner) from scratch (many hams do).  He was a fan of my home built antenna systems.

We had many on-air contacts over they years (always on 14 mHz morse code), and each contact was a blast.

We exchanged many letters as well.  He was VERY concerned about the aftereffects of Chernobyl.  

I have had on-air contacts with thousands of Russians over the years, many going "over the pole".  The Russian accent with the watery-bubbly-echo sound of the Aurora Borealis is quite distinctive.

They seem to be more like Americans than we'd admit, and seem to be far less materialistic and closer to family and friends than we are.

The next time I'm over in that part of the world, it would be great to go.  Lithuania, St. Petersburg, Moscow, Kiev, Minsk...THAT would be a nice trip.  That sort of trip would not have been possible the last time I was in the neighborhood.

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« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2007, 12:05:03 PM »
Lawyers use rethoric? Shock! Horror! The infamy!

Anyone with basic reading comprehension can easily see what I said.
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« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2007, 12:08:56 PM »
I cant be bothered to sift through and see if this has already been mentioned...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1275332,00.html
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« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2007, 12:34:50 PM »
I've lost total respect for one Russian (on these boards).   Hopefully, not many are like him.
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« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2007, 12:36:14 PM »
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I've lost total respect for one Russian (on these boards).   Hopefully, not many are like him.

Vad? Yeah, that was totally uncalled for if its the post I'm thinking about...
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« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2007, 12:37:27 PM »
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Vad? Yeah, that was totally uncalled for if its the post I'm thinking about...
I was thinking of Boroda, but I remember the "Vad Incident".   Make it 2 Russians.
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« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2007, 12:40:10 PM »
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I was thinking of Boroda, but I remember the "Vad Incident".   Make it 2 Russians.


Boroda is entertainment. ;)  Think of him as a professional troll. :p
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« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2007, 12:52:55 PM »
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I have had many friendships with folks in the Soviet Union/Russia over the years.

Back in the late 1980's/early 90's for example, my friend Gary in Minsk and I would exchange books and technical stuff.  Anything from history, politics, and travel to technical information.

I was impressed that he had built his entire ham station (transmitter, receiver, and antenna tuner) from scratch (many hams do).  He was a fan of my home built antenna systems.

We had many on-air contacts over they years (always on 14 mHz morse code), and each contact was a blast.


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« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2007, 01:32:11 PM »
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Lawyers use rethoric? Shock! Horror! The infamy!


It is expected from such dishonest scum.


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Anyone with basic reading comprehension can easily see what I said.


Yes, anyone can…

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When you're a flea on a bear's butt it is not wise to provoke them by biting too hard ... or by flying slow lumbering spy planes close to their borders when the RAF and USAF are violating their airspace almost on a weekly basis with, at that time, uninterceptable spy planes.


And then you add the “this route” and “flying there” and call me “missinformed” (sic.) as if it was part of my argument:

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And you seem to be missinformed as usual, the US was not flying this route at all at the time. This because a US aircraft had been shot down in the same area less than a year before. So much for the uninterceptable US spy planes flying there on a weekly basis.


Classic straw man argumentation … textbook even. Tell me Mr. I’m-three-years-late-with-my-outrage, does it take an effort being so obvious?
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« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2007, 01:55:21 PM »
This is amazing...

I go away for a few days, I come back and all the sudden I'm: "The scum of the Earth".

There are worse things than being hated, I suppose.
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« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2007, 02:02:10 PM »
Lol, not all lawyers are scum ;) Only those who use fallacious rhetoric ... like Hortlund here.
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« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2007, 02:49:42 PM »
Hortlund, you are playing dangerous game. I tryed to post a list of soviet planes (including civilian) downed by USA and NATO scince the WW2. That topic was immediately deleted. So, you must understand, that you are talking only about 2 planes. I can add many others. But some people here will not give me a choice for a fitting answer.
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« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2007, 02:56:20 PM »
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I tryed to post a list of soviet planes (including civilian) downed by USA and NATO scince the WW2. That topic was immediately deleted.  


Please post such a list again. I'd really like to see a list of Soviet planes, including civilian, that were shot down by USA/NATO while flying in International Airspace.

I don't remember seeing your last one, but I seriously doubt that posting a list would be deleted.

What else did you post along with the list?
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