Author Topic: New Naval Aircraft (Read 2660 times)

Krusty · « **Reply #45 on:** July 24, 2007, 12:36:27 PM »

Last I heard, it took upwards of 3 months to just ship the planes to the bases in the pacific from California... That puts it about 2 months past the end of the war (at the earliest, not counting US-based training units, conversion orientation for pilots, pilot testing, etc)

Ace8765 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2007, 12:37:37 PM »

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Originally posted by PanzerIV
I thought P51 Mustang did that, and B29s didn't capture Iwo Jima, US Marines in LVTs did, anyway, if P51 weren't escorting the B29s wouldn't P47N take over?

I'm not sure of the P47 part, but F8F Bearcats were Naval fighters not Bomber escorts, would they even work at that high an altitude and be able to keep up with a B29?

i didnt say that the bearcat captured iwo jima...

Ace8765 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2007, 12:39:18 PM »

btw the plane was delivered to the squadren in the pacific not at california... why would they bring the squadren to California just to get a new plane....

tedrbr · « **Reply #48 on:** July 24, 2007, 06:39:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Ace8765
notice that the first plane was delivered months before the war ended...
.......btw the plane was delivered to the squadron in the pacific not at California... why would they bring the squadron to California just to get a new plane....

A brand new, untested warplane coming off the line would not be sent straight to front line units for combat operations.

When you come up with a new plane, you build up and train squadrons, you fly and evaluate the new plane, and adjust any established doctrines you have in regards to that specific aircraft. For example: The A-26 Invaders were being delivered to the USAAF in 1943 for evaluation. They did not begin combat operations until late 1944 after front line evals resulted in design changes. A few planes out of production are often sent to front line, or secondary line, units for evaluation (this is what resulted in dropping the 75mm from the Invader, going with in-line wing guns rather than gun pods, and the canopy redesign) as part of the roll out.

Once the first few squadrons have completed being worked up, then they are sent forward into a combat zone for active operations. There was not enough time to do this with some of the planes being mentioned in this thread. War was over before they went operational.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #49 on:** July 24, 2007, 07:00:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Ace8765
btw the plane was delivered to the squadren in the pacific not at california... why would they bring the squadren to California just to get a new plane....

You are incorrect sir. The Bearcat did not see any combat operations as when it was enroute to the combat zone of operations the war ended. They did not take part in any combat operations during World War II.

In May of 1945, the Bearcat was cleared to enter operational service not when it actually entered into service on a squadron level. VF19, aboard the USS Langley was in route across the Pacific when the war ended. So I do not see how they were able to escort B-29s when the war was over by the time they arrived in theater.

But as was mentioned in earlier posts, if you have any documents that show otherwise, by all means post them.

ack-ack

kilz · « **Reply #50 on:** July 24, 2007, 07:39:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
F7F never saw combat in WWII either.

it did how ever see combat in the Korean war.

Karnak · « **Reply #51 on:** July 24, 2007, 08:40:23 PM »

There was no such thing as an A6M4. The A6M4 designation was reserved for a turbocharged version of the A6M that never materialized.

Japanese aircraft that were used off of CV's that we lack:

A6M3
B6N2
D3Y1

That is all.

The B7A2 came too late and Japan had no more CVs. All of the B7A2's operational missions were flown from land bases.

The best British CV aircraft to add would be the Fairy Firefly. A Griffon engined fighter-bomber armed with four Hispanos.

The Fairy Fulmar would see some use in scenarios and the EWA.

The Swordfish and Skua would pretty much be limited to scenario usage.

Platano · « **Reply #52 on:** July 24, 2007, 08:54:10 PM »

Seaplane? How about the F/A-18 Hornet? Ya i know it didnt see action in WW2 be then again neither did the RV8

ScorpCH · « **Reply #53 on:** July 27, 2007, 01:00:34 PM »

WHAT!!!?!?!?! so you're saying we cant have the f7f or the f8f? but the brits have the SPIT16!:mad: and the germans have the 109k4 and 262! ITS NOT FAIR

! we need an uber sexy american plane (other then the P-38

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Shifty · « **Reply #54 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:15:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Ace8765
Bearcats saw very little action but they were used to help escort B-29s when they captured Iwo Jima and Okinowa

Roll me one would you?

Saxman · « **Reply #55 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:43:08 PM »

Scorp:

We already have the F4U-4, which is the BEST prop fighter in the game.

titanic3 · « **Reply #56 on:** July 27, 2007, 08:59:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
Scorp:

We already have the F4U-4, which is the BEST prop fighter in the game.

109 is ze best!:mad:

DaddyAck · « **Reply #57 on:** July 28, 2007, 03:51:48 AM »

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Originally posted by WMDnow
The Bearcat was really ugly. There was no 'Sea Hurricane' It was called a Hurricat, it was launched off a catapult, it won't be in this game. We DON'T have enough Japanese planes, we have very few of them, I also would like Italian planes. Why a Tri-motor when we have a FASTER C47?

Man we need the trimotor b'cause it looks crappy to capture bases with a c47 when your an axis squad....
That and it was a bomber/torpedo plane as well. Come to think of it Ive wanted the Ju-52 for the longest time for the same reason, multifunctionality.

Ace8765 · « **Reply #58 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:49:35 PM »

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Originally posted by PanzerIV
I thought P51 Mustang did that, and B29s didn't capture Iwo Jima, US Marines in LVTs did, anyway, if P51 weren't escorting the B29s wouldn't P47N take over?

I'm not sure of the P47 part, but F8F Bearcats were Naval fighters not Bomber escorts, would they even work at that high an altitude and be able to keep up with a B29?

you are very stupid you kno that

C(Sea)Bass · « **Reply #59 on:** August 10, 2007, 01:16:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You are incorrect sir. The Bearcat did not see any combat operations as when it was enroute to the combat zone of operations the war ended. They did not take part in any combat operations during World War II.

In May of 1945, the Bearcat was cleared to enter operational service not when it actually entered into service on a squadron level.VF19, aboard the USS Langley was in route across the Pacific when the war ended . So I do not see how they were able to escort B-29s when the war was over by the time they arrived in theater.

But as was mentioned in earlier posts, if you have any documents that show otherwise, by all means post them.

ack-ack

not sure on this source but it says the langley was scuttled in 1942, so im not sure how a squadron could be stationed on it in

1945.http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-l/cv1.htm

"While carrying Army fighters to the Netherlands East Indies on 27 February 1942, Langley was attacked by Japanese aircraft. Hit by several bombs and disabled, she was scuttled by her escorting destroyers."

Also I am positive the bearcat never saw service. I've read probably more than 200 books on the war in the pacific and it was never mentioned. It may have served in korea though.Heres a random google found source to collaborate this.

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/bearcat.htm

Its first flight was in August 1944, and while the first squadron of Bearcats was heading for the Pacific, the war ended before this excellent fighter could see operational use.