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Offline SkyRock

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« on: July 23, 2007, 07:02:38 PM »
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A judge has ordered a man to continue paying alimony to his ex-wife -- even though she's in a registered domestic partnership with another woman and even uses the other woman's last name.

California marriage laws say alimony ends when a former spouse remarries, and Ron Garber thought that meant he was off the hook when he learned his ex-wife had registered her new relationship under the state's domestic partnership law.

An Orange County judge didn't see it that way.

The judge ruled that a registered partnership is cohabitation, not marriage, and that Garber must keep writing the checks, $1,250 a month, to his ex-wife, Melinda Kirkwood. Garber plans to appeal.

The case highlights questions about the legal status of domestic partnerships, an issue the California Supreme Court is weighing as it considers whether same-sex marriage is legal. An appeals court upheld the state's ban on same-sex marriage last year, citing the state's domestic partners law and ruling that it was up to the Legislature to decide whether gays could wed.

Lawyers arguing in favor of same-sex marriage say they will cite the June ruling in the Orange County case as a reason to unite gay and heterosexual couples under one system: marriage.

In legal briefs due in August to the California Supreme Court, Therese Stewart, chief deputy city attorney for San Francisco, intends to argue that same sex couples should have access to marriage and that domestic partnership doesn't provide the same reverence and respect as marriage.

The alimony ruling shows "the irrationality of having a separate, unequal scheme" for same-sex partners, Stewart said.

Garber knew his former wife was living with another woman when he agreed to the alimony, but he said he didn't know the two women had registered with the state as domestic partners under a law that was intended to mirror marriage.

"This is not about gay or lesbian," Garber said. "This is about the law being fair."

Kirkwood's attorney, Edwin Fahlen, said the agreement was binding regardless of whether his client was registered as a domestic partner or even married. He said both sides agreed the pact could not be modified and Garber waived his right to investigate the nature of Kirkwood's relationship.

Garber's attorney, William M. Hulsy, disagreed.

"If he had signed that agreement under the same factual scenario except marriage, not domestic partnership, his agreement to pay spousal support would be null and void," Hulsy said.

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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 07:04:48 PM »
Only in california..........
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 07:07:45 PM »
Seems to me a progressive state like Kalifornia would have done away with alimony long ago. Guess words will always be cheap to some.
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 07:08:07 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 07:16:49 PM »
This isn't exactly new news...  If you have a vagina in a marriage dispute, you're going to win.


Like, take for example my father.  He had been paying child support for my sister, who recently turned 18.  My (evil) mother went to child services and asked for more money, even though the contract for the child support ended the moment my sister turned 18.  She was awarded the money, regardless of what the contract said (and violating my Father's due process rights).

He's going to try to not even address it.  He won't pay it, he won't even reply.  We don't know what will happen.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2007, 12:18:41 AM »
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He had been paying child support for my sister, who recently turned 18. My (evil) mother went to child services and asked for more money, even though the contract for the child support ended the moment my sister turned 18.


How can Child Services increase the amount of child support without a court order?

It's probably not wise to just ignore the situation. Your father most likely has a limited time to respond. If he doesn't respond in that time frame he will have to pay regardless of whether or not this is even legal....just because he never contested it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2007, 12:36:02 AM »
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He's going to try to not even address it.  He won't pay it, he won't even reply.  We don't know what will happen.


He needs to get a lawyer and contest the decision in court, or your mother's complaint could well result in civil and criminal penalties depending on the state. These could include the garnishing of his paycheck, seizure of his bank account or pension, registration in a database, arrest and jail time. etc.

As for the original ruling Skyrock cited, what a tangled and hopelessly arbitrary web we are weaving. Surely someone should realize that the "I want to do whatever I want" school of ethics should imply that your neighbor can do whatever he wants to as well?
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2007, 02:31:57 AM »
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As for the original ruling Skyrock cited, what a tangled and hopelessly arbitrary web we are weaving. Surely someone should realize that the "I want to do whatever I want" school of ethics should imply that your neighbor can do whatever he wants to as well?


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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2007, 08:13:27 AM »
He would have fought it in court, where it was originally decided to award my Mother 95 dollars per week after my sister's 18th.  However, it is standard operating procedure to not even tell the Man that there is going to be a court trial, nor even tell his lawyer.  The trial happened without him even knowing it was going to happen.  Not one single attempt was made to inform him of the trial.  Thus violating his Due Process Rights.


I've been trying to convince him to sue the government for several billion dollars because of this, but he's not convinced yet.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2007, 08:15:36 AM »
It simply proves that the agenda for the gay rights groups is not equal rights but... extra rights.

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2007, 08:19:12 AM »
He needs to get a lawyer and address the issue in court. If he ignores it he's likely to find himself under arrest and in jail at some point. He also will see his wages garnished and maybe even action on his bank accounts. Ignoring it will not make it go away and he is wrong to think that once his daughter turns 21 that he can continue to ignore it. The court can also maintain the debt as long as they want as back child support.
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2007, 08:21:35 AM »
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He needs to get a lawyer and address the issue in court. If he ignores it he's likely to find himself under arrest and in jail at some point. He also will see his wages garnished and maybe even action on his bank accounts. Ignoring it will not make it go away and he is wrong to think that once his daughter turns 21 that he can continue to ignore it. The court can also maintain the debt as long as they want as back child support.


But the thing is that he has NO BACK CHILD SUPPORT.  He paid off all the money he "owed" including the 2 thousand dollars that was put up for no real reason 2 days before my sister's 18th.
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2007, 08:21:59 AM »
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This isn't exactly new news...  If you have a vagina in a marriage dispute, you're going to win.


Like, take for example my father.  He had been paying child support for my sister, who recently turned 18.  My (evil) mother went to child services and asked for more money, even though the contract for the child support ended the moment my sister turned 18.  She was awarded the money, regardless of what the contract said (and violating my Father's due process rights).

He's going to try to not even address it.  He won't pay it, he won't even reply.  We don't know what will happen.


Well, the child is the beneficiary of the child support. That means that if the mom and a dad reaches an agreement that means the child gets less than it should have, the contract will be null and void. Its perfectly reasonable once you accept the basic fact that child support is for the child, not the mother.

What will happen is that unless he contests the desicion, he will have to pay, no matter what he says/does. And just trying to ignore it like that is probably the most stupid tactic anyone can try in a legal situation.

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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2007, 08:24:35 AM »
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Well, the child is the beneficiary of the child support. That means that if the mom and a dad reaches an agreement that means the child gets less than it should have, the contract will be null and void. Its perfectly reasonable once you accept the basic fact that child support is for the child, not the mother.

What will happen is that unless he contests the desicion, he will have to pay, no matter what he says/does. And just trying to ignore it like that is probably the most stupid tactic anyone can try in a legal situation.


Being another bullet point for my mother being evil, I never saw one single cent of the child support paid to my mother for my sister, or even me way back when actually be spent on us.  Even with paying child support, my father bought us everything we needed.
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2007, 08:51:13 AM »
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Only in california..........


California is special in that they don't end Spousal Support in cases of Co-habitation?


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