A8 attack?

[Virage]

Nothing like circling a base for an hour waiting for 2 mossies to show up, dive and strafe 1 ack.   Then I look at the logs and c the majority of the mossie squadron hit a10.  What gives.

I think the rules should include that an attack has to be in squad strength at least.  This sacrificing of 1 or 2 planes to meet the 1 hour rule, then hitting the base late in the frame is lame.

[damnname]

Yep in war we need to E-mail, Phone and Text what everyone is going to do.  Just to make it fair. next time just Email me your orders We can make it fun!

[Roidrage]

Fighting 31 was asigned to guard a train. T+10 we had 5 N1Ks show up. At T+50 or later 6 more cons showed up. Wasn't a very action packed night, but everyone has their roles to fill.

[forHIM]

A8 had a fighter sweep hit it around T+35 and the fighters lingered for at least 10 minutes.  And the fighter sweep was fairly large, 30+ planes.  Both A10 and A8 squads saw action before the T+60 time frame as did an unfortunate bunch of ki84s who happened to fly up the river by A21 at T+10 -- they ran into the fighter sweep of the 332, AK, & 347th.

[sgt203]

Fighting31 defended the train as ordered and a qucik attach right at beginning was all shot down...... Followed by a lone (and majorly warping) NIKI which was killed without problem.

We all landed to rearm to go and attack A-10. Just as we were lifting off in our 47's a flight of KI's and Niki's came in and caught us low and slow and they got into our train.

All in all it was rather slow night and was quite unfortunate we got caught lifting off heavy.

Was still a very fun event (as they all are) and I personally am looking forward to the next frame!!!!!

<<>> to those that make these events possible, taking their time so the rest of us can enjoy this type of fighting...

[Virage]

Originally posted by forHIM
A8 had a fighter sweep hit it around T+35 and the fighters lingered for at least 10 minutes.  And the fighter sweep was fairly large, 30+ planes.

2 mossies with 30 escorts.  And the mossie squad hit both a10 and a8.

Why dont we all take off in fighters and meet in the middle.

Oh but that would be the MA.

[AKDogg]

Originally posted by Virage
Nothing like circling a base for an hour waiting for 2 mossies to show up, dive and strafe 1 ack.   Then I look at the logs and c the majority of the mossie squadron hit a10.  What gives.

I think the rules should include that an attack has to be in squad strength at least.  This sacrificing of 1 or 2 planes to meet the 1 hour rule, then hitting the base late in the frame is lame.

If that was the case u circling A8 for 2hrs, where were u when your fellow countrymen were dying over it.  We got there at t+35.  Bombers we had got intercepted I believe but I not sure on that.  BtW, I think our fighter sweep was close to 50-60 when we sweept A10 but lost some there and about 30-40 continued to a8.

[daddog]

Virage I was not watching the clock, but I am pretty sure our squad of Spits were over A8 well within the hour. We were slotted to do a fighter sweep. We upped 4, flew to 10 and then to 8. We had engagements most of the way.

It is not any fun flying around for 2 hours with little action. What happened to you guys was not the intent of the frame CiC.

[Virage]

My point is being missed.

It is NOT that A8 didn't have allied planes before T+60.  It is that there was no attempt to ATTACK THE BASE before T+60.  Only 30-40 (ur numbers) FIGHTERS looking for kills, not hitting hangers.

While the Axis split its force between ATTACKERS AND FIGHTERS, it looks like the Allies went ALL FIGHTERS with a token strike force.

Is it normal to have 1 squad of 7 pilots assigned to hit 2 different targets?

Is this the future of FSO?  Load up with all hvy fighters that drop on takeoff, a few token sacrificial Attackers to get in before T+60, and then pound the targets with fighters after T+60 once they have cleared the air and rearmed?

I realize no one likes to get the bomber/attack assignment, but it is a part of FSO.  I think each target should be hit (i.e. bombed) before T+60 by a single squad each (at least).

[Virage]

Originally posted by AKDogg
If that was the case u circling A8 for 2hrs, where were u when your fellow countrymen were dying over it.  

An hour = 1 hour.

We were dodging 51's, 47's, and Spit8's. Forcing them to dive out.  All the while holding position for an ATTACK that never came.

Essentially wasting our time.

[WxMan]

What was explained to me as a CiC a year or two ago when the 60 min rule was first introduced was that a fighter sweep constitutes an attack and fulfills the requirement.

[humble]

I'd have traded a bit of action with ya:)....we got hit between A21 and A10 and the buffs were under fire all the way from the initial inbound leg to the IP and thru the bomb run...

No question that this setup favors the allies. Jugs and 38's are very capable in a strike roll....I think the jugs carry more tonnage then the ki-67's:). If you look at the logs the our ki-67's inflicted more casualties then the nikki's did...and the -25 jugs hurt us more then the spits did. We got caught up with the spitties and 38's low over for after bomb release. I thought a spitty got me but it was blukitty in a -25...

I saw a bunch of spitties and a few 38's but dont even recall SEEING a jug at the end. I'm guessing they were RTB to rearm and bounced the little "furball"....

The huge spike down in the nikkis performance envelope at 15-20k was amazingly apparent...of course my gunnery is pitiful in the nikki....I fired 700+ rounds in the 400 range and got zero hits....jeez

[trax1]

Originally posted by sgt203
We all landed to rearm to go and attack A-10. Just as we were lifting off in our 47's a flight of KI's and Niki's came in and caught us low and slow and they got into our train.
 

Yeah we got lucky on that one, the train wasn't even our target but got called in to take it out, so we came in the back door low and fast from A7, we saw you guys at the base so we started to head a little more west so you wouldn't see us, then by pure luck the train started to fire at us from our 9 o'clock, if not for that we would have flown right by it, luckly by time you guys noticed us the train was dead.

[SpiveyCH]

All targets must be hit within the first hour of the frame.  <---From FSO RUles.


Think this may be the problem.    To me,  I see the rule and I understand this to mean hit targets assigned.  As in, I get the orders to hit all Hangers at base Axx.  My target in not base Axx, but the hangers at base Axx.   I will send in my attack force to hit the hangers before the hour rule.

Another person may have been told that a fighter sweep counts towards this.
Another person may have been told that hitting a ack counts.


So, what is the rule?  If fighter sweeps and killing a ack counts, then it will change how I run my frame when I am the CiC.  



I also remember we had a big conflict once where a CiC(that I was on the side of), just had all of us converge on the first target.  We then just rolled the big train to the other targets and cleaned up.  He hit all targets within the first hour.  He did not break any rules doing this.  I thought there was just a understanding not to do this.  When the rules are vague, then problems will occur.

[Fulmar]

Originally posted by trax1
if not for that we would have flown right by it, luckly by time you guys noticed us the train was dead.

From what we were told since the attack came in roughly around 12:09PM EST, the allies were given credit for defending the train.  Correct me if I'm wrong once the scores are released.

It was beyond T+60 and that was the only reason we were at the base refueling, since the CiC had given us credit for defending it.

Anyways, this was my first time flying the Jug for more than 10 minutes in the last 6 months.  I've gained more respect for it.