B29 Superfortress and a thought from a squaddie

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
In order, 1, No I'm not insane, "tho there are some who would disagree". 2, The bomb load of a single B-29 was what? max 20,000 lbs? A B-24 x 3 = 24,000 lbs in bombs. A B-17 x 3 = 18,000 lbs of bombs. This is stuff I learned in 1'st grade.

                          A 17 or 24 coming in low to an airfield looks like a crippled old Goose in need of Jenny Craig. A 29 will look like a 99 yo California condor flying with a load in his pants. How long do you think it would last against all those fighters? The biggest danger would be everyone trying to shoot it down.

                       3 B-24s = 24,000 lbs. 3 B-17s = 18,000lbs, 1 B-29 = 20,000 lbs. Or is my math wrong?

                     Boy, God forbid the Bomber sticks get something.

1. Any single AC that can carry almost or more ords than a box needs a perk.

2. Then they dissevered to be shot down just for being stupid.

3. Umm you just got the B-25.

You buffers need risk.  What would happen if the B-29 was introduced risk free.
I'll tell you, you'd never ever see another buff in the skies. That's the reason it would be perked.

Bronk

[PanzerIV]

I beleive most people would rather have other, more useful planes.
I fall into that category.
Although i could get ahold of great info on the B29.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Bronk
1. Any single AC that can carry almost or more ords than a box needs a perk.

2. Then they dissevered to be shot down just for being stupid.

3. Umm you just got the B-25.

You buffers need risk.  What would happen if the B-29 was introduced risk free.
I'll tell you, you'd never ever see another buff in the skies. That's the reason it would be perked.

Bronk

                               Not necessarily. You get shot down in B-24s, which carry more bombs and shoot more guns, and you can jump into a drone, and then jump into another one. Imagine climbing to 25,000' in a B-29 and getting diced? Thats about an hour wasted.

                             Why would you think the 29 would be flown any different then any other heavie 90% of the time? As in at 3,000' from the next airfield over? Flown like that it would get slaughtered like sheep.

                            And to the few of us whom have the patience to gain altitude and take them after targets?? Isn't that fun for fighter sticks? Shooting down bombers? It sure looks like they are having fun when they shoot me down.

                        Im not saying the B-29 would end up a queen but I'd bet it would be flown far less then you think after the first few weeks.

[SFraptor]

i think we should have another vote about the next plane

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Not necessarily. You get shot down in B-24s, which carry more bombs and shoot more guns, and you can jump into a drone, and then jump into another one. Imagine climbing to 25,000' in a B-29 and getting diced? Thats about an hour wasted. Yup thats called risk. As it stands now you lose nothing. Unless your in an arado. Zomg up again and go watch tv until I get to alt.

                             Why would you think the 29 would be flown any different then any other heavie 90% of the time? As in at 3,000' from the next airfield over? Flown like that it would get slaughtered like sheep.
 That's the whole point. If we attach risk to it what do you think might happen. How about they might fly at historic alts. Wow what a concept.

                            And to the few of us whom have the patience to gain altitude and take them after targets?? Isn't that fun for fighter sticks? Shooting down bombers? It sure looks like they are having fun when they shoot me down.
Yup even more fun when I know I just relieved someone of perk points. Dont tell me you don't get a grin on your face when you shoot down a perk plane.
                        Im not saying the B-29 would end up a queen but I'd bet it would be flown far less then you think after the first few weeks.

Rich think rationally an not I want, I want, I want. If a b29 was introduced perk free what would you fly be honest.  lets see b17, b24 or b29 decisions decisions.



Bronk

[Karnak]

If and when the B-29A is added it is absolutely, blindingly obvious that it will be perked, and perked heavily.  Arguing anything else is pointless.

Second, it will not have the nuke as an option, ever.

Third, it will almost certainly have formations as an option, just like the Ar234 does.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Bronk
Rich think rationally an not I want, I want, I want. If a b29 was introduced perk free what would you fly be honest.  lets see b17, b24 or b29 decisions decisions.



Bronk

                            Without question I would still spend most of my time in B-26s. With a smattering of 17s, 24s, KIs, and 234s. One B-29, or 3 perked heavily? All the way up to 30,000'? I would fly them but not that often. And I would never take them under 20,000'. I dont bomb strats, "because they are meaningless", all that often anymore, and I love taking the B-26s into tactical targets.

                           And I'll find a way to survive even if we dont get them. Its not that important.

[SuperDud]

What a novel idea!

[VonKost]

ZOMG! actually taking a bomber above 20,000 feet! preposterous! we would not want anything to be historic! I'd still fly 17, 24, 25, 26 if there was a B-29. It would depend on the the arena and mission. Leaving the B-29 out is like leaving out the mustang for fighter guys. It makes no sense. I'd still like auto gunners on the bombers too.

Von

[MjTalon]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Without question I would still spend most of my time in B-26s. With a smattering of 17s, 24s, KIs, and 234s. One B-29, or 3 perked heavily? All the way up to 30,000'? I would fly them but not that often. And I would never take them under 20,000'. I dont bomb strats, "because they are meaningless", all that often anymore, and I love taking the B-26s into tactical targets.

                           And I'll find a way to survive even if we dont get them. Its not that important.

Negatory Rich, Bombing Strats are not meaningless, Bombing a HQ is kinda the respective country HQ you bomb will send 10-15 goons and it'll be resupplied before you even RTB. Bombing Strats are effective.... Very effective that's why i do mission to bomb strats.

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by MajIssue
other than some of the Brit types that were horrible daylight bombers and had to  fly at night.

that would be a somewhat inaccurate statement.  Although some of the early RAF bombers were not very efficent bombers others were quite excellent in the bombing role, whether day or night bombing.   The RAF believed the cost was too high in bombers and crews to bomb during the day and preferred to bomb at night to reduce losses

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by MajIssue
I could care less if an airplane was German, Japanese, Itallian, French (opps there aren't any Franch aircraft in Aces high nor in WW2 for that matter ), Russian, or American

No French aircraft in WW2? mmmm

Dewoitine D.520,  scored a few kills when France was invaded (108 kills, 39 probables and 54 lost) , later flown by the Vinchy French and also used as a trainer by Germany.  Under the Vinchy goverment D.520s had about 30 kills against British and American aircraft vs 11 losses.  Free French also had a few, used mostly as trainers until last few months of the war and then used for ground attacks.

theres a few more, look it up...
Bloch MB.174
Bloch MB.210
Amiot 354
Breguet 693
Caudron C.714
Lioré et Olivier LeO 451
Potez 633

get a library card or something...

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by MjTalon
Negatory Rich, Bombing Strats are not meaningless, Bombing a HQ is kinda the respective country HQ you bomb will send 10-15 goons and it'll be resupplied before you even RTB. Bombing Strats are effective.... Very effective that's why i do mission to bomb strats.

                            I agree major. Bombing strats with missions "Is" effective. My comments were directed at myself, as an individual, flying against them. Getting 5 to 10 Buff sticks aimed at a vital strat will have impact as well as being great fun. Thanks for pointing it out sir.

[MajIssue]

Originally posted by Airscrew
No French aircraft in WW2? mmmm

Dewoitine D.520,  scored a few kills when France was invaded (108 kills, 39 probables and 54 lost) , later flown by the Vinchy French and also used as a trainer by Germany.  Under the Vinchy goverment D.520s had about 30 kills against British and American aircraft vs 11 losses.  Free French also had a few, used mostly as trainers until last few months of the war and then used for ground attacks.

theres a few more, look it up...
Bloch MB.174
Bloch MB.210
Amiot 354
Breguet 693
Caudron C.714
Lioré et Olivier LeO 451
Potez 633

get a library card or something...

I have one thank you... Significant? NO! up to UK/US/German standards for fighter aircraft? NO again. D 520 had a top speed of around 320 mph... mincemeat for a 190 a5 or 109 G or a 51B or  38G! 'Nuff said about the French "airforce in WW2!

[VansCrew1]

another lame B29 thread.