Author Topic: Host Connection Lost as of Late (Read 737 times)

Sketch · « **on:** October 15, 2007, 10:22:57 PM »

Been getting this a lot as of late and am not too sure why. Will be flying around for a little while and then poof, Host Connection message and have to pop back in. Not sure what is going on and have a steady connection. This has just started happening about 2 weeks ago. Any suggestions at what is causing it? I have run a Pin for the arenas and all seems well but am not 100% sure. Also done a Tracert and am not sure as I am new to that one... Any help on this would be nice.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 16, 2007, 06:06:14 AM »

This is easy. Road Runner recently made the switch to Level3 for thier Tier 1 transport to/from the Internet. Level3 is a horrible backbone provider whose network is always oversold. Packet loss is always happening somewhere on their network.

Comcast has also moved to Level3 as well.

As to why. Level3 is cheap.

AKDogg · « **Reply #2 on:** October 16, 2007, 08:06:21 AM »

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/Sketchwork/PingPlotter2BlueArena.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/Sketchwork/PingPlotterEWMWLWO.jpg

Here is his Ping plots. He goes through ATT and looks like ATT is his problem but not sure.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #3 on:** October 16, 2007, 09:27:30 AM »

The problem is actually on the return trip. On return, his route goes through Level3.

Here is the trace;
I traced to the router in his third hop as it is the first IP address which is a real one. The first two show he is going through what appears to be, two NAT's.
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traceroute 24.25.1.161
traceroute to 24.25.1.161 (24.25.1.161), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 206.16.60.33 (206.16.60.33) 1.072 ms 0.615 ms 0.560 ms
2 mdf1-gsr12-1-gig-2-0.dal1.attens.net (63.241.192.205) 0.257 ms 0.208 ms 0.163 ms
3 12.122.255.77 (12.122.255.77) 0.977 ms 0.986 ms 0.837 ms
4 12.123.16.210 (12.123.16.210) 1.686 ms 2.030 ms 1.503 ms
5 12.123.16.193 (12.123.16.193) 1.112 ms 1.191 ms 1.041 ms
6 br2-a340s5.wswdc.ip.att.net (192.205.34.138) 1.338 ms 1.380 ms 1.325 ms
7 ae-32-54.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.122.126) 5.999 ms 2.253 ms 1.960 ms
8 ae-1-100.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.132.45) 2.446 ms 2.200 ms 13.924 ms
9 ae-6-6.car1.Miami1.Level3.net (4.69.133.1) 35.611 ms 35.695 ms 35.567 ms
10 ae-11-11.car2.Miami1.Level3.net (4.69.133.6) 35.802 ms 35.807 ms 35.757 ms
11 * ae-4-4.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.133.10) 33.061 ms 34.407 ms
12 ae-1-100.ebr1.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.132.33) 37.587 ms 41.635 ms 36.519 ms
13 ae-4-4.car1.Charlotte1.Level3.net (4.69.132.161) 40.174 ms 40.131 ms 40.111 ms
14 ROADRUNNER.car1.Charlotte1.Le vel3.net (4.71.124.6) 40.626 ms 40.511 ms 40.508 ms
15 gig4-0-0.rlghnca-rtr2.southeast.rr.com (24.93.64.177) 45.744 ms 45.756 ms 45.721 ms
16 pos14-0.rlghncg-rtr2.nc.rr.com (24.25.20.22) 40.248 ms 40.350 ms 40.105 ms
17 srp2-0.rlghnck-rtr1.nc.rr.com (24.25.2.153) 46.786 ms * 46.912 ms
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Anytime Level3 is in the path you can just about be gauranteed packet loss on the connection.

lengro · « **Reply #4 on:** October 16, 2007, 10:23:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Level3 is a horrible backbone provider whose network is always oversold. Packet loss is always happening somewhere on their network.

From me in Denmark to Hitech:
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.
.
6 8 ms 7 ms 8 ms ge-0-0-0.mp1.Copenhagen1.Level3.net [4.68.125.189]
7 29 ms 30 ms 30 ms as-2-0.bbr2.London1.Level3.net [4.68.128.213]
8 103 ms 94 ms 95 ms ae-0-0.bbr2.NewYork1.Level3.net [64.159.1.42]
9 95 ms 95 ms 95 ms ae-43-99.car3.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.16.197]
10 95 ms 95 ms 95 ms att-level3-oc192.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.127.150]
11 142 ms 142 ms 141 ms tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.123.0.90]
12 141 ms 141 ms 141 ms cr2.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.16.133]
13 138 ms 139 ms 138 ms cr2.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.3.38]
14 143 ms 141 ms 141 ms tbr1.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.16.62]
15 138 ms 139 ms 139 ms tbr1.sl9mo.ip.att.net [12.122.10.30]
16 138 ms 139 ms 138 ms tbr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.10.90]
17 138 ms 137 ms 138 ms br2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.123.16.213]
18 138 ms 138 ms 138 ms mdf1-gsr12-1-pos-7-0.dal1.attens.net [12.122.255.82]
19 * 139 ms 139 ms mdf1-bi8k-2-eth-2-2.dal1.attens.net [63.241.192.218]
20 138 ms 138 ms 137 ms 206.16.60.38
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I recently changed ISP - never had a dropped connection problem with the old provider, but they happens often with the new one.

I guess hop 6-10 explains why...

Skuzzy · « **Reply #5 on:** October 16, 2007, 10:31:42 AM »

lengro, I traced back to your hop #6, as the problem is on the return trip to your computer.
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traceroute 4.68.125.189
traceroute to 4.68.125.189 (4.68.125.189), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 206.16.60.33 (206.16.60.33) 0.726 ms 0.604 ms 0.557 ms
2 mdf1-gsr12-1-gig-2-1.dal1.attens.net (63.241.192.41) 0.232 ms 0.204 ms 0.179 ms
3 12.122.255.81 (12.122.255.81) 0.933 ms 0.948 ms 0.871 ms
4 12.123.16.214 (12.123.16.214) 155.620 ms 1.608 ms 1.568 ms
5 12.122.86.209 (12.122.86.209) 1.609 ms 56.970 ms 2.225 ms
6 br2-a340s5.wswdc.ip.att.net (192.205.34.138) 1.406 ms 1.356 ms 1.336 ms
7 ae-2-56.bbr2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.122.161) 1.679 ms 1.757 ms 1.739 ms
8 as-0-0.bbr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net (212.187.128.98) 122.116 ms 122.580 ms 122.139 ms
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12

I cannot reach 4.68.125.189 at the moment as it is dieing in Level3's network.

termjg3 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 16, 2007, 12:44:48 PM »

Hi,

I think I had same issues during Grosse Schlag ...
Just suddenly disconnected.

In Event viewer I have only:

Faulting application aceshigh.exe, version 0.0.0.0, faulting module aceshigh.exe, version 0.0.0.0, fault address 0x0009536b.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

Fault bucket 522681563.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

It could have been another issue with some Nvidia driver or Sound card problem but I was online and flying about 1 hour with no problems ...

Just telling ...

Sketch · « **Reply #7 on:** October 16, 2007, 05:19:23 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Skuzzy
This is easy. Road Runner recently made the switch to Level3 for thier Tier 1 transport to/from the Internet. Level3 is a horrible backbone provider whose network is always oversold. Packet loss is always happening somewhere on their network.

Comcast has also moved to Level3 as well.

As to why. Level3 is cheap.

So how do I switch this then so it is not happening during the game all the time? Or do I get rid of Road Runner or am I SOL?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #8 on:** October 16, 2007, 05:28:40 PM »

Road Runner certainly is not going to make a change for you. So what are your options?

Sketch · « **Reply #9 on:** October 16, 2007, 06:38:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Road Runner certainly is not going to make a change for you. So what are your options?

Besides smashing my head into the desk....

Well, I can check around and see what other options there are for me with internet here in Goldsboro, NC. I have about 7 months left here in the military and will be moving, but man I don't want to deal with this for that long... I just got rid of my headaches!

Anything I can do settings wise?

AKDogg · « **Reply #10 on:** October 16, 2007, 10:08:57 PM »

I currently use RCN Cable service (20meg DL/2 meg UL service). Did have Verizon DSL (5 meg DL/ 768K UL Service). Both worked great for me with no issues. Not sure if either are available to U Sketch. Tried there websites to see if service is available and it says your address can't be located. Must be that u on a AF base. U probably gonna have to call the direct to find out.

DerHelm · « **Reply #11 on:** October 17, 2007, 03:32:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Sketch
Besides smashing my head into the desk....
Well, I can check around and see what other options there are for me with internet here in Goldsboro, NC. I have about 7 months left here in the military and will be moving, but man I don't want to deal with this for that long... I just got rid of my headaches!
Anything I can do settings wise?

Sketch can you provide a trace route to Hitech and we can see from there.

I can't agree with Level 3 being the worst or over sold.
I've delt with Level3, MCI, AT&T, Quest, WV Fiber, Race, Above Net, Noa Net ... And Level 3 (and MCI) Have taken network issue seriously compared to the others, while Quest is fastly making my ***** list.
Level 3 is even being considered by google to be bought (God I wish I had that much money.) But maybe this is just a regional thing, I am in SoCal, and here TWC RR been using Level 3 for many years not including when they tried to use ATDN. But Level 3 network map looks pretty damn good over there http://www.level3.com/images/global_map/Level_3_Network_map.pdf

Skuzzy · « **Reply #12 on:** October 17, 2007, 05:42:43 AM »

Level3 was okay until they started providing backbone to Road Runner and Comcast. Since then they have gone into the proverbial toilet. I cannot find a path through thier network which does not suffer packet loss and/or some router flap.

Glad you are having good luck with them. I cannot get them to even look into a problem, potential, or otherwise.

Sketch · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2007, 05:41:25 PM »

So for this problem Skuzzy, would my best bet be to just look for another provider? I ran the Ping-Plotter for about 35 minutes today and took some more shots of it and then logged into the game, went and picked my kid up from day-care and when I got back I was Disco'ed again.
But in a sense, without a different provider I am just SOL or is there a way around it besides that....

DerHelm · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2007, 07:22:50 PM »

Well

RR is saying the best route from You to HTC (which is on AT&T's network/AS) is to use ATDN (AOL)

On the Return AT&T is saying is best way to get to you specific IP block (24.25.0.0/19) is to take Level 3.

Since it's suggested that Level 3 is not somethign you would want if you are going to HTC and it is the return route that is makign it go to Level 3
and HTC is being hosted on the AT&T thus a paying customer, they can request the route to be changed on AT&T's side to force ATDN as the preferable route.

*By "best route" I mean it in terms of BGP routing prefs, NOT that is 100% hard core the BEST ROUTE, far from it.