SIG220's SIG 220 .45 Caliber Pisols!! -- PHOTO

[GtoRA2]

[moneyguy]

first we have a Sig 229, with a DAK trigger, chambered in .357sig. this is my primary carry piece for work. i practially stole it for $395 with 3 high cap. mags and night sights. (i think the guy at the gun shop priced it wrong)


next we have an XD45. my weekend carry gun for work. i like the feel, the capacity (14 rounds w/ extended mag), the trigger pull (a little smoother than a Glock), the price (just over $500)


XD40, same as above with a smaller bullet. got it cheap off a friend that needed cash.


Glock 22. this was my first pistol that i bought when i started working for the armored car company. was cheap, had high-cap mags and night sights. glocks are great bang-for-your-buck guns. they do take a lot of practice to get a feel for. but once you have it, they can be a nice gun for the money.


to be contiued.....

[moneyguy]

next is a Colt 1991A1 compact. who doesn't like a 1911 style handgun. i like this one because its a little smaller than a full size. its easier to carry.


Sig 239. chambered in 9mm. a bit smaller than the 229. DA/SA trigger. nice carry piece.


Taurus PT111. got this one cheap too. haven't fired it yet.


Kel-Tech .380ACP, nice backup. it's only acurate for 10yards or so. a lot of reviews were bad on this one because people take it to the range and blow off a lot of rounds with them and they don't last. it's not a range gun, its a backup.


and finally, this is my first pistol i ever bought. got it right after i came home from boot camp. its a Colt 1911 gov. model. too big to carry all the time, can't use it at work because it's SA. sweet gun to shoot though.

[Suave]

I have a taurus mil pro 3rd generation DA/SA in .40 SW. I've put over 1000 rnds through it without any problems. In fact so far it's been more reliable than my p239 (it failed to go into battery once). It's not terribly accurate but it does what it was designed for completely. The action and barrel are very robust, nothing on it is going to wear out anytime soon, while at the same time it's light weight for it's size. They had a lot of teething problems with the first generations of the Mil Pros and I was a little wary at first but so far mine has been nothing but good. The trigger is a little weird but like I said it fills the role it was designed for all the time.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Terror
Here it comes.....

First of all I am not saying a Glock is better then a Sig except in just a few situations.

If you don't to shoot fast. A Sig is fine.
If you don't want to shoot fast and accurate, a Sig is fine.
So please understand there are plenty of folks out there for which a Sig as a perfectly acceptable gun. Generally speaking, the ones that don't shoot, and for sure the ones that don't want to shoot fast and accurately.
The folks that seem to really like their sigs are the ones that talk about owning a Sig alot.

Sigs sit too high in your hand, causing alot of "flip", which pulls the gun up off target much more then other guns.
Second, the trigger pull is LONGGGGGG, and the reset is much LONGERRRRRR. Which makes shooting fast and accurate MUCH harder. And it also causes alot of failures to reset the trigger.
Next, on alot of guns their is a "bump" on the left side of the grip which forces your hands to hold the gun even lower on the grip, which just makes the flip even that much larger.
The "OLD" mags actually use to come apart if you get in a hurry and loaded them into the gun to hard. Gee, and do you think in a gunfight, that MIGHT happen?
And if that weren't enough, they don't even make good paper weights, since they don't lay flat on the paper, but instead rock a bit. See, I was trying to find a good use for them.

And for the privilage of carrying this "sled" you get to pay a HIGH Price Tag.

You see, there is a reason most of the top shooter use a 1911 or a Glock. The egronomics are similar. If a Sig had them, then they would be using them.

And PLEASE don't make the same mistake the gun manufacters are counting on you making. And that is to think because a Law Enforcement Agency carries them, they are good.
I PERSONALLY know Sig almost GIVES them away to the LE Agencies just to bait the civilians into thinking they are good. NOPE SUCKERS. But I guess there enough born to keep it going.

And please before anyone jumps online to brag about how there Sig is awsome. Please ask yourself if you fall into the catagory of shooters I described. If you don't shoot in competition agains others, then you probably don't see how other guns do in the hands of other good shooters. And think this, if you want to win, and can shoot any gun you want to. Wouldn't you shoot the fastest and best? And then go look at what those shooters are shooting to win?

Terror

I see your Glock and raise you an HK USP 45.   There is no comparison.  

I can empty any handgun fast and on target.   I'm confused at what your point is?

[Terror]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
I see your Glock and raise you an HK USP 45.   There is no comparison.  

I can empty any handgun fast and on target.   I'm confused at what your point is?

HK USP are nice.  Expensive, but nice.  And have seen some reliability issues in competition.   The couple times I have seen them fail, the shooter was running reloads, so it was probably ammo related.

Point is: Shooting is tough, SIG makes it harder.  IMO

T

[storch]

Originally posted by Terror
HK USP are nice.  Expensive, but nice.  And have seen some reliability issues in competition.   The couple times I have seen them fail, the shooter was running reloads, so it was probably ammo related.

Point is: Shooting is tough, SIG makes it harder.  IMO

T

sheesh, I know why the average LEO can't seem to hit a barn from inside the barn.  it's those glocks that just don't point natural like.  if the colt model peacemaker is the best naturally pointing handgun then the glock has to be down there in the amoeba slime pit.  it just does not point naturally for me.  I wanted to like the glock but it just simply does not work in my case.

sig is fine to me and the USP in my opinion is is simply the best of the plastic guns unless you have smallish hands.

[Gunthr]

Kel-Tech .380ACP, nice backup. it's only acurate for 10yards or so. a lot of reviews were bad on this one because people take it to the range and blow off a lot of rounds with them and they don't last. it's not a range gun, its a backup.

this little gun has helped me meet my commitment to myself to be armed most of the time.  if you can run 200 rds thru it without a jam, i call that good to go.   it allows me to always observe RULE #1 for gunfighting.

but in the back of your mind you keep wondering if its gonna go off.  thats why I carry my model 60  when I can.  but the model 60 is enough of a PITA that I would hardly ever carry it unless there was a special reason.  I wanted to try the Airweight 38/357 to see if i could hack hauling that around every day, but its pricey.  

I agree that a j frame gun is certainly adequate for concealed carry defense...  there was a BSO Deputy killed with his own .38 at 0815 this morning, shot in the upper chest.  One shot.  I'm guessing it was a 4-5 inch barrel tho.  The round somehow came out his lower back.  The exact scenario is unknown so far.  He was transporting a felon to a hearing.  The shooter was caught later, at about 1300 without incident.  

So off duty I carry the sw mod 60 when I can, and the .380 when i can't.  

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Terror
HK USP are nice.  Expensive, but nice.  And have seen some reliability issues in competition.   The couple times I have seen them fail, the shooter was running reloads, so it was probably ammo related.

Point is: Shooting is tough, SIG makes it harder.  IMO

T

Again.   What does emptying a Magazine have to do with the "Quality of the gun"?    

Mine wasn't expensive.   I've put reloads and even lead through my HK.   Only 2 rounds out of 6,000 have failed to eject properly.   It was cheap PMC ammo I purchased at my range.   They witnessed it, and gave me Winchester white box in exchange.   Before you say "Haha!".   My buddy also on the same trip used the PMC ammo in his Glock 23 and he had the same issue in his gun.  

SIG's are a top notch gun.   You are too brand biased for a serious discussion in firearms Terror.   I'll take my "overpriced USP 45" loaded with 13 rounds of 230gr CorBon over anything else.   Why?  It will fire when it needs to.    


FWIW, I disagree with your statement that "Sig is at the bottom of the list".   That title belongs EXCLUSIVELY to Beretta.   Their handguns are chit.

[Terror]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Again.   What does emptying a Magazine have to do with the "Quality of the gun"?    

Mine wasn't expensive.   I've put reloads and even lead through my HK.   Only 2 rounds out of 6,000 have failed to eject properly.   It was cheap PMC ammo I purchased at my range.   They witnessed it, and gave me Winchester white box in exchange.   Before you say "Haha!".   My buddy also on the same trip used the PMC ammo in his Glock 23 and he had the same issue in his gun.  

SIG's are a top notch gun.   You are too brand biased for a serious discussion in firearms Terror.   I'll take my "overpriced USP 45" loaded with 13 rounds of 230gr CorBon over anything else.   Why?  It will fire when it needs to.    


FWIW, I disagree with your statement that "Sig is at the bottom of the list".   That title belongs EXCLUSIVELY to Beretta.   Their handguns are chit.

I guess I'm not for sure where the disagreement is here.  I agreed that the HK is a nice firearm.  Expensive because the average new retail price of a USP is about 50-75% more than the price of an equivalent Glock.  And the only reliability issues I had witnessed were probably ammo related.

Prices I found for the HK USP were:

Compact 700-850
Standard 800-950
Tactical 900-1100

Which firearm is "bottom of the list" is probably even more of an opinion than what is on top.  Barretta definitely sit on the lower side of the list.

[SIG220]

SIG's are indeed inferior handguns that should be avoided.   Here is another photo that I took when I bought these two SIG 220 Compacts for my son and I.  These were both older 100% German made guns, and the gun had a different model designation of 245 back then.   Now, they just call it the 220 Compact.

In between the guns is the factory test target that came with the handgun that I kept for myself.  And as you can see, my little .45 is obviously a substandard gun.

[lazs2]

sig220.. that is some good grouping at 25 yards.

moneyguy.. sorry about not returning your last night.. I was real busy.. nice firearms.

I still like the 340 PD in scandium for carry.. 12 ounces..  .357 mag that is utterly reliable in both form and function and is the easiest gun to carry and get into action anyone has ever devised.   you can get used ones cheap too.. lots of guys bought em and simply can't handle the recoil.

most of the block guns you can't really carry concealed in any real way.   Not unless it is winter say.

The 340 goes in a front pocket.

lazs

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Terror
I guess I'm not for sure where the disagreement is here.

This

Originally posted by Terror
Here it comes.....

First of all I am not saying a Glock is better then a Sig except in just a few situations.

If you don't to shoot fast. A Sig is fine.
If you don't want to shoot fast and accurate, a Sig is fine.
So please understand there are plenty of folks out there for which a Sig as a perfectly acceptable gun. Generally speaking, the ones that don't shoot, and for sure the ones that don't want to shoot fast and accurately.

And please before anyone jumps online to brag about how there Sig is awsome. Please ask yourself if you fall into the catagory of shooters I described. If you don't shoot in competition agains others, then you probably don't see how other guns do in the hands of other good shooters. And think this, if you want to win, and can shoot any gun you want to. Wouldn't you shoot the fastest and best? And then go look at what those shooters are shooting to win?

Terror

Again, the "rapidity" of shooting is not even a concern of a "good shooter".

[Gunthr]

I still like the 340 PD in scandium for carry.. 12 ounces.. .357 mag that is utterly reliable in both form and function and is the easiest gun to carry and get into action anyone has ever devised. you can get used ones cheap too.. lots of guys bought em and simply can't handle the recoil. - Lazs

I don't see why anyone would let recoil bother them enough to sell a great defensive carry gun like the 340pd - unless they just cannot hang on to it.  but most adults should be able to.   its not like they'd notice the recoil shooting it on some very very bad day when they're in a corner.

[Terror]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Again, the "rapidity" of shooting is not even a concern of a "good shooter".

Comes from competition and defensive shooting.  Fast and accurate are the order of the day.  Two to the body, one to head, transition, two to the body, one to the head, transition, two to the body, one to the head.  Or 1,1,2,1,1 for a tactical order/sequence drill.  Multiple threats require fast and accurate.

T