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Offline gunnss

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« on: November 08, 2007, 01:54:01 AM »
Well we did it, we put our er.. Hand in the meat grinder,
A few of my co workers and my self have put the paperwork together to enter the lander challenge for next years X prize.....
http://space.xprize.org/lunar-lander-challenge/
Wish us luck,
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2007, 08:15:01 AM »
Sweet!  Good luck!
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2007, 08:41:39 AM »
Wtg, Gunnss... best of luck!
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2007, 10:14:38 AM »
Best of luck to you! Outstanding project there. :aok
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 10:39:55 AM »
Good luck man, I love to see small private industry take on the challenge.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2007, 10:50:57 AM »
Good luck!  Let us know how it goes.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2007, 10:51:52 AM »
good luck..

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2007, 11:51:25 AM »
Gunns,  I know where you can get one, most of the work has already been done,  bring a big truck


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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2007, 11:55:53 AM »
I'm just down the road from NASA Houston.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2007, 12:21:05 PM »
Nice! Hope you do great!
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2007, 12:45:57 PM »
Just a thought here and I'm no rocket scientist and have no clue how you guys are thinking of doing it. So I figured I'd share this idea with yea.

I've always thought using Hot air balloons to lift a craft into the upper atmosphere would be a easier and a cheaper way to get a craft into near earth orbit.

If you do a little research you will find some old US military experiments where they used hot air balloons to lift a guy into near earth orbit so he could parachute back down. (was the only guy I know of, to break the sound barrier with out a aircraft)

I always thought it would make a cheap launch platform to get objects into space, because the hardest part of getting to space is of course breaking the earth's gravity.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2007, 12:46:40 PM »
If I was going to try and do this on the cheap, I'd do the following:

Hydrogen Peroxide decomposition monopropellent motors - Easy and cheap to build, no flaming explosions at failures (or at least, lower likelihood) and no flammable vapors.  Pressurized for simplicity (no pumps) w/ a regulator for fuel flow, using something cheap like nitrogen.  It's cheaper and easier to work with than exotics, and for the specific challenge should be more than good enough.

Instead of spending a lot of time trying to perfect a finicky throttle-able engine, I'd have a single big sustainer that can _almost_ lift the craft, and then a bunch of simple tiny H2O2 thrusters around the edge that both give it the extra thrust to take off (and descend, if all engines are off, the sustainer would give it a slow descent) and stabilize.  The weight of H2O2 expended during the flight would need to be taken into consideration too, of course, the lander should have 'negative bouyancy' when at near empty.

To reduce dependence on gyroscopes and complicated stability systems (Armadillo has lost a few to computer and gyro mishaps) I'd try and make it dynamically stable.  The lower the center of gravity, the better, maybe suspending the sustainer above a hollow center 'donut' would work, for instance.  Something like this would make the lander neutrally stable, so you can reduce the complexity of the guidance task.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2007, 03:37:56 PM »
BTW, I quickly sketched what I meant for trying to make it neutrally stable:



Just a side view, of course, the idea would be to have the engine suspended in the middle so that the mass is 'hanging' off of it instead of balancing on top like a broom on the end of your finger.  Plus, with H2O2 monopropellent rockets, the exhaust is just steam, so minimal shielding is needed to protect the tanks and sensitive bits.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2007, 04:23:50 PM »
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Originally posted by crockett
Just a thought here and I'm no rocket scientist and have no clue how you guys are thinking of doing it. So I figured I'd share this idea with yea.

I've always thought using Hot air balloons to lift a craft into the upper atmosphere would be a easier and a cheaper way to get a craft into near earth orbit.

If you do a little research you will find some old US military experiments where they used hot air balloons to lift a guy into near earth orbit so he could parachute back down. (was the only guy I know of, to break the sound barrier with out a aircraft)

I always thought it would make a cheap launch platform to get objects into space, because the hardest part of getting to space is of course breaking the earth's gravity.


Altitude does not equal orbit. While the altitude would reduce the atmospheric drag, you still need to attain a speed fast enough to overcome gravity. Vehicles in orbit still feel gravity almost as much as we do on the ground. Their speed is sufficient to keep them falling around the earth.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2007, 04:34:58 PM »
Here Gunnss, get a copy of this so you can test your designs in a "realistic" environment...