Disappointing

[Oldman731]

This week's setup features what are arguably the four best fighters in AH, yet people are staying away in droves.  Perhaps this isn't surprising for new folks who haven't flown these planes, but I'm surprised that the regulars aren't here.  One of the best features of AvA, seems to me, is that you get to learn strange new planes.  It's discouraging to see that oldtimers have become wedded to their favorite rides.

Just thought I'd complain.

- oldman

[KONG1]

I agree that these planes offer good fights...if(BIG IF)...you have players that want to fight.

The LA7 in this setup offers a ride were one can easily disengage at will. There is no way to force a timid, boom/zoom/run player to fight. You can wear down their e and they can extend for a while zoom up and be 3k above booming and zooming again.

I experienced this. Ran down the guy's e 3 times, then he runs home because his ammo is gone. The engagement was fun but doing this over and over, well, not so much. I guess the only way to kill the La is HO him with a Nik, (yeah, like that's fun). Face it the 84 eats the yak. So frustration sets in and out comes the La.

I extol  parity over history simply because parity makes for better game play. I can't count the times the discussion of included planes revolved around what was historically available. This ignores the fact that, historically speaking, the activity we are simulating was not fun.

If we limit scenarios to those that are both historical and have opponents close in capability then the number of different popular setups is naturally limited. For a change of pace I would rather see an imaginary match up of planes with comparable capabilities than a historical match up of planes with disparate capabilities.

Edit: I really just want something to chase down and kill those dang Las:mad:  (K4,Typh,D9,51,something...consider them captured/leased planes)

[Eagler]

imo you have b&z planes against t&b planes

when did the yak get neutered? I always thought it was a great turner but compared to the 109f it stinks

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Oldman731
It's discouraging to see that oldtimers have become wedded to their favorite rides.

Just thought I'd complain.

- oldman

It is also discouraging to see that people get blamed for not liking something.  Like the AvA is that perfect place and we choose not to be there because there is something wrong with us.  Keep telling yourself that that is the only reason we are not there.  Thats should fix it

[detch01]

I have to admit when there was some talk of extending the setups so they lasted for awhile my interest in the AvA was raised quite a bit. The threads about the Avengers added a little bit more so I popped in when the Italy setup was running and had a pretty good time. But, the next week the setup changed and the week after that it changed again. All that means to me is that the AvA remains the same old furball between the two closest fields with the same faces doing the same things over and over and over again. It's like driving a car up and down your driveway repeatedly for a few hours each day, every day. Even if you switch cars and paint the driveway a different colour you're still driving up and down that same driveway. If that floats your boat good for you. Me, I'm looking for a little more variety in my entertainment.
If you folks start to make noises again about doing something to bring more people in and I think you're serious about it I'll pop in to have a look. If not, well then, good luck with the arena.


asw

[raptor33]

I havent had a chance to get in there yet, but hope to be there on Wednesday night. How low are the numbers during prime time?

Raptor 33

[Larry]

As I told some of my squadies. I can fight runing LAs and HOing nikis in the MA, atlease there I can fly in whatever I want.

[lutrel]

The Avengers will be in the AvA arena on Wednesday Night for a non formal Fighter sweep; and again on Thursday Night for our squad Night Fighter sweep.

We have pulled out of the arena on Monday Nights so we can conduct heavy bombing and base captures; impossible to do, due to settings, in several maps in the AvA.  On Monday Nights we can be found in the mid war arena; come escort or shoot at us.  All Avenger events start times are 7 PM'ish Central time.  

[storch]

sorry OM but you can count me out if german rides aren't in there.  if the Ki61 was there I might have shown up for a bit but generally speaking, no thanks.

[E25280]

It's actually one of my favorite set-ups.  I spent more time in there on Saturday night than I normally do.  The crowd was small, but everyone was willing to fight (imagine that, Kong), and I think much fun was had by all.

I do think, though, that the KI-61, LA-5 and the other Yak should all be made available.  Only two planes per side seems a bit restricted even for the AvA.  If it helps keep some people from becoming quickly bored, so much the better.

[Dichotomy]

Well you all missed your chance tonight.  I stole some spare time and was running about willy nilly just waiting to get smoked.

Maybe tomorrow?

[hrdhrd]

Originally posted by detch01
I have to admit when there was some talk of extending the setups so they lasted for awhile my interest in the AvA was raised quite a bit. The threads about the Avengers added a little bit more so I popped in when the Italy setup was running and had a pretty good time. But, the next week the setup changed and the week after that it changed again. All that means to me is that the AvA remains the same old furball between the two closest fields with the same faces doing the same things over and over and over again. It's like driving a car up and down your driveway repeatedly for a few hours each day, every day. Even if you switch cars and paint the driveway a different colour you're still driving up and down that same driveway. If that floats your boat good for you. Me, I'm looking for a little more variety in my entertainment.
If you folks start to make noises again about doing something to bring more people in and I think you're serious about it I'll pop in to have a look. If not, well then, good luck with the arena.


asw

Very well said!

[KONG1]

Originally posted by E25280
It's actually one of my favorite set-ups.  I spent more time in there on Saturday night than I normally do.

That's funny, I spoke with someone who was in there Saturday night and they said there was some LTAR doin' the boom/zoom/run in an LA. Was that you?

[lutrel]

We would gladly spend 3 nights a week in there, but it seems as though the settings in most of the maps are tweaked in a manner that completely prohibits any sort of base taking.  Which of course makes conducting heavy bomber missions nothing more than target practice for the locals.  This is why we have pulled out on Monday Nights to conduct strategic missions in the Mains.

By no means am I entertaining the idea of asking you guys to make changes for us new guys, but it seems odd that the only arena that has realistic match ups and a rolling plane set is reduced to nothing more than a high classed DA by the arena crew.  Don't get me wrong, we love to do fighter sweeps too, and feel that the fights we encounter in the AvA are of very high caliber and that we will learn fighter tactics faster in that arena.  

Trust me, we would much rather be in the AvA all the time, due to the realistic plane sets.  We also believe you guys are setting on a gold mine if you were to finish developing the arena to include strats and land grabs.  This combined with the  good maps and combat settings being provided by Old Man and crew would provide the most realistic WWII air combat arena to be found just about anywhere, and would be a magnet to the guys wanting more of a sim than an arcade.  I can only imagine that the lack of further development of the AvA arena is due to the soon to be released Tour of Duty Arena?  

[E25280]

Originally posted by KONG1
That's funny, I spoke with someone who was in there Saturday night and they said there was some LTAR doin' the boom/zoom/run in an LA. Was that you?

Nice try.  Go troll elsewhere.