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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2007, 02:39:36 PM »
do any of you have a link to the text of this north american union document?

The presidents of all three countries say it is a conspiracy theory with no backing.    Bush is out... are you saying that it will happen before he leaves or that all he democrat and republican candidates are privy to it?  

Don't give me lou dobbs.. give me a credible source and a link to a document.

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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2007, 04:15:15 PM »
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do any of you have a link to the text of this north american union document?

The presidents of all three countries say it is a conspiracy theory with no backing. Bush is out... are you saying that it will happen before he leaves or that all he democrat and republican candidates are privy to it?

Don't give me lou dobbs.. give me a credible source and a link to a document.


I would doubt there is anything formal. However, a lot of small, informal things are happening so maybe 10 years down the road it just exists. It started with NAFTA and then CAFTA and frankly it's not a stretch of the imagination to see the bipartisan appeal, among the same crowd that finds illegal alien amnesty to be a swell concept (insourcing cheap labor) and doing business with PRC (regardless of their stance on labor issues, human rights or the environment) to be peachy. Business is business -- nationalism and sovereignty impede business.

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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2007, 04:46:47 PM »
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do any of you have a link to the text of this north american union document?

The presidents of all three countries say it is a conspiracy theory with no backing.    Bush is out... are you saying that it will happen before he leaves or that all he democrat and republican candidates are privy to it?  

Don't give me lou dobbs.. give me a credible source and a link to a document.

lazs

only links to the pdfs...  

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf

http://hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/HudsonNegotiatingNorthAmericaadvanceproof2.pdf

also, this page has a link to a White House transcript of a press conference where Bush was asked (search the page for "superhighway") regarding the SPP, "Can you say today that this is not a prelude to a North American Union, similar to a European Union?".  Bush doesn't answer the questioners concern and instead resorted to ridicule and insults.  That's not proof, but he could've said "There are no plans for a North American Union."  He didn't...  :noid :noid
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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2007, 05:54:16 AM »
the nau sellout... they want to merge the vast energy resources of canada with the cheap mexican labour market.
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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2007, 09:42:48 AM »
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Really............................
I would say Ron Paul is not one of your typical Main stream NEO Con professionals.
But certainly Dr. Paul is no idiot. Big Government means big problems.
This has been going on since 1913 and it will not stop until our sovergine nation is gone and we are totally assimilated into the one world government. Ponder that as you sit in your Gulag bro, when all of your freedoms and civil liberties are gone.
Of course that is an extreme representation of the potential future. But just the same how can you call someone an Idiot who wants to save our nation from globalization.


It is extreme, Uberhun, but not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2007, 09:49:33 AM »
Ok.. let me come at this another way... this "union".

It is a highway built by the lowest bidder?   Can you show me where there is anything else besides some roads and trade agreements?

Is the mint tooling up for the new "union buck"?   are we now under the control of the canadian army?  is our constitution no longer in effect?

just what does it mean?   break it down for me.   what exactly is the "union" part?    No more borders?

Hell.. we never had passports before and now we do... seems that we are getting away from a "union" to me.

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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2007, 01:52:10 PM »
Hmmmmm..........

Well here is another view point on the NAU.............

http://www.jpfo.org/smith/smith-is-it-too-late.htm

it also talks about several other things and is of course the writers opinion.  

BUT some of the links provided by the author SEEM very interesting!

The point several people SEEM to be trying to make is...

someone is trying to create something here and they SEEM to be IGNORING the will of the people, the sovereignty of America, Canada, and Mexico, and the Constitution in the process.

Sort of a "we weren't supposed to do that?  OH WE'RE sorry, really we are, BUT it's a done deal sooooo..............."
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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2007, 01:54:16 PM »
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reminds me of Ross Perot ..."full of as much watermelon as a Christmas Goose ".....:rofl



 I have researched Ron Paul and his political record over the last couple of days ....

   It has completly changed my opnion Ron Paul .....

  I found out that my opnion of him was wrong .
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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2007, 11:03:05 AM »
more "evidence" from our neighbor to the north...

from:  http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/INFTRA_Content/docType56/Production/pol306.htm



more info from them:  http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/INFTRA_Content/doctype59/production/pol295.htm

'bout your questions, Lasz...  If they're lying about the NAFTA superhighway, what else aren't they telling us?
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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2007, 02:40:33 PM »
again... you guys are getting all upset about us getting some more roads that will help trade?

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2007, 09:31:53 PM »
First of all, the only "help" free trade needs from the gov't is low tariffs, anything else results in regulatory burdens.  Secondly, if this was only about a desire to "help trade", then why the need to deny the plans for the highways?  Additionally, some of us see implications regarding moving towards globalization and further compromising our national sovereignty.  American trucking companies are worried about competing with the less regulated Mexican trucking companies.  Land owners are worried about their land being stolen from them via eminent domain.  Some are worried about providing more pores thru our borders for illegal aliens, drug dealers, and terrorists to abuse, rather than securing our borders like we should be.

If you believe that this is just about "helping trade", then I've got a bridge you might be interested in...
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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2007, 08:22:52 AM »
so you are saying that US highways will have no border guard or checkpoint and that what?  that Americans won't be able to use the roads to get to mexico and canada?    

As for denial...  every city...every one that every one of you guys is in.. has a policy of this very same sinister secrecy for their public works projects and you are quite correct..it is about imminent domain... you don't say what exactly or where exactly the public works project is until a lot of the financial, engineering and environmental studies are done.

Soo... unless ron paul has some political proof of a real north american supercountry..  then he is coming off as a hysterical, irresponsible, woman, panic monger to me.

Name something like a change in the constitution or the money or... something... anything.. that would indicate some kind of super state that was all of north america.

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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2007, 10:59:43 AM »
I have no problem with a little paranoia when it comes to defending the Constitution, our rights and our national sovereignty. I want a president who will be on guard against infringments on any of those, not one who looks for ways to skirt them.  If you think that's silly, by all means, vote for someone other than Ron Paul.  I'm sure you'll be happy with how that turns out.
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« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2007, 12:39:15 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2007, 01:32:56 PM »
so how much amero is thees gasolinea seenore?
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