Why was the Ta-152 not updated witht the rest of the 190's?

[Motherland]

Just wondering. Doesnt make any sense to me, to not do all the 190's while your doing... the majority of them. Did HTC just forget about the 152 or what?

[Blooz]

The first planes they updated the graphics on are the ones you'll be using in CT. The few that have been updated since took quite awhile to get and of course , there are many still left to update (A6M2, A6M5, F6F, F4F, FM2, LA5, IL2, P40's, TBM, SBD, most of the bombers....etc).

It just takes time.

[WMLute]

I can never read the dial/gagues on the updated artwork.

I imagine on a really high resolution, on a decent computer they look GREAT!

But try 256 (or 128) textures @ 1024x768 on a low end rig.

I gota zoom in just to read 'em.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Blooz
The first planes they updated the graphics on are the ones you'll be using in CT. The few that have been updated since took quite awhile to get and of course , there are many still left to update (A6M2, A6M5, F6F, F4F, FM2, LA5, IL2, P40's, TBM, SBD, most of the bombers....etc).

It just takes time.

I understand this... but... it doesnt really make sense... I mean, its basically a 190D with different wings right? Couldnt they have just taken the Dora and put the Ta152 wings on it, even if not quite correct, until they get a chance to do it in detail? I mean, the rest of the 190's are really great loooking, and then you get to the 152 and... blech.

[E25280]

Originally posted by Motherland
Just wondering. Doesnt make any sense to me, to not do all the 190's while your doing... the majority of them. Did HTC just forget about the 152 or what?

IIRC, when the 190s were re-done, the TA-152 was still perked and very rarely used.  I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was a simply "forgotten."

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by WMLute
I can never read the dial/gagues on the updated artwork.

I imagine on a really high resolution, on a decent computer they look GREAT!

But try 256 (or 128) textures @ 1024x768 on a low end rig.

I gota zoom in just to read 'em.

I just bought a new computer and this is very true.

On my old rig I could read all the dials but not the markings around the trim indicator bars.

Now it's clear as day.

Infact, I zoom all the way back in my cockpit in order to read all of the guages.

On topic; it would be wonderful if they could put the Dora cockpit in the 152... Though I expect it's not that simple or it would have already been done.

I've asked about this before... It seems that they have to re-draw the whole model....

Even doing the skin is a big job.

[Overlag]

plane kinda needs repairing a bit too.

[Helm]

I can't read any of the gauges in the updated planes.  The shade of white they use to mark them is to dark.  Allthough they look nice and very historical, a brighter shade of white for the gauges and needles would make them much easyier to read ....and yes I have turned up my gamma all that does is wash everything out.

[Xasthur]

The 152 does have some odd stall characteristics.....


Helm the only way to fix that is to increase your graphics detail.

The cockpits look fantastic on higher settings.

That might be an option for many, obviously.

[moot]

The 152 was nothing like it is now, before the AH2 FM.  I could regularly out turn spit9s, and cut inside N1Ks for the first two turns of a stall fight.
The tail spin wasn't so bad, the torque wasn't so dang thick... it was somewhere between the A5 and D9 in agility.

[TUXC]

The combat trim also really works against you in the Ta152 when you get slow, and even with it disengaged it seems like it has serious yaw instabilities when coming in to land.

It would be great if HTC could take a look at the flight model like they did with the Mosquito, and maybe adjust it slightly so it has less of a tendency to flat spin or tailslide into the ground if you get too slow when in a vertical zoom.

In III/JG301's assessment of the Ta152H-0 no low speed instabilities were noted. "Compared to the Fw190A-8, the Ta152H-0 is capable of tighter turns with less tendency to fall off into a spin, and this only happens at lower airspeeds (approx 250kph)."
From Focke-Wulf Ta152 by Dietmarr Hermann p.93

The report also mentions that "maneuverability" is reduced with the larger wing, but they clearly mean roll rate since the report states that it turns better than a 190. The most interesting part is that the 152 only tended to spin below 155mph when our Ta152 seems just as prone to spinning as the 190s whenever you get too far below 250mph.

We might be better off with a Ta152H-0 since it was significantly lighter and almost as powerful as the H-1 (10400lbs vs 11477lbs fully loaded and 1900hp vs 2050hp). It also doesn't have GM-1, but you can't use it until ~35000ft anyways. It also adds weight and shifts the center of gravity aft, reducing stability. The fuel load is reduced in the H-0 (hence the much lighter weight), but with a drop tank endurance would not be an issue.

[Charge]

"The test also mentions that "maneuverability" is reduced with the larger wing, but they clearly mean roll rate since the report states that it turns better than a 190."

I think that real life physics dictate that an a/c with such long wings cannot sustain as much Gs in high speed turns as an a/c with shorter wings. That leads me to think that as slow speed the TA indeed was better turner than 190A and that is not surprising.

-C+

[Krusty]

My guess is the 152 is such a mess it requires a complete overhaul of the flight model, and since it's not going to be used with the CT, it's just not worth revisiting for HTC right now.

Mind you, just a guess.

[moot]

I doubt they'd add a second 152 (but why not eh?), especialy if the H-0 is a prototype as I recall.
There doesn't need to be adjustments to the 152's FM to band-aid the bad spins.  It just needs to be returned to its pre-AH2 form.

[TUXC]

Moot, my idea is to change our H-1 to an H-0 (like how our 109g-10 was changed to a k-4). I agree that we certainly don't need two 152s (though I would not mind). The H-0 wasn't the prototype for the 152H. 5 prototypes for the Ta152H were built: Fw190V33, V30, V29, V18, and V32. Production of the Ta152H-0 followed the protoypes and were the first production series to be built, service tested, delivered to in strength to frontline units, and which saw action with III and stab/JG301. I believe this meets all of the criteria for planes in AH.

We already have the Ta152H, so it's not like they're going to take it away even though it served in such small numbers. I suggested the switch to the H-0 version since it is more representative of the 152s that were in combat in March and April 1945. If the H-1 version did see combat it was in smaller numbers than the H-0, and would not have been fitted with GM-1 equipment as it changed the center of gravity and caused instability with the heavier H-1 version.