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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2007, 10:49:30 AM »
The pressure would likely supersede any gravitational effects. That and of course the heat. But I would think the closer you got to an objects center the less gravity it would have. But then again...I dont know, you'll have to ask Mr. Whoopee that one Chumly :)

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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2007, 11:26:03 AM »
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Batfink, with respect, you're mistaken, and your "anyone who disagrees with me is wrong because they're disagreeing with me" stance is kinda weak.

Clerick's post is spot on (and of course he's right about the uneven distribution of mass) and his diagrams should help you understand what's happening.

There's nothing magical about the center of the mass that makes it the place exerting the pull.  It's the mass itself that exerts the pull, not the very center.  So if you were at the center of an undifferentiated mass, you'd be pulled in all directions by the mass around you.



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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2007, 11:29:45 AM »
Ok, after a rigorous morning spent doing calculus, i have to admit that i was wrong on one point, the object would tend to return to center, but only by the smallest margin.  And i am trying to set up the problem in a number of other ways to see if i was right about me being wrong about me being right....  wait... aww screw it.

I know i have a copy of Mathematica around here somewhere....

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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2007, 11:33:02 AM »
you make me head hurt. i would ponder that the orginal poster is a miner of some sort. you never answered that question
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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2007, 11:38:44 AM »
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you make me head hurt. i would ponder that the orginal poster is a miner of some sort. you never answered that question
None of us will probably go anywhere as cool as where the OP did, so we compensate with diagrams and arguments!  :D

In case it got missed in the kerfuffle, that's awesome rogwar.  Any pictures?
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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2007, 11:49:30 AM »
mmmm... fun topic! :)

I think...

The person is also a mass thus they have their own self-generated non-uniform gravity field.

If there were a hollow little sphere at the center of the earth and a person was put into that little hollow sphere, they would slowly gravitate to the surface of the sphere but it would feel almost like zero gravity.

Nothing is perfect, thus even the slightest pico-unit of mass unbalance would eventually cause the person to drift to the surface.

This would also be the case if two planets of equal mass were held 10 feet apart and a person was placed exactly between them. The person's own gravity field would affect the outcome as to which surface they would eventually gravitate.

Even if a perfectly uniform solid sphere were placed inside that empty sphere at the earth’s center and the mass of the earth was perfectly uniform it would still gravitate to one side; that side being in the direction of the Sun and its gravitation field.

I think the "effect" of a hollow sphere at the center of the earth would be the closest thing to no effective earth gravity at all... if mass of the surrounding earth were perfectly uniform, it zeros itself out from all angles.

Fun thing to ponder! :)

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Edit: FYI, I didn't read any of the posts past the initial few when I wrote this... that would have made it not as much fun.
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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2007, 11:52:28 AM »
Geez, y'all are talking about this without being forced? Tips a hat.
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2007, 12:24:19 PM »
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You will need to answer why and how mass bends space.

Gravity as a geometry of space-time still makes more layman sense than any hypothetical alternative. Definitely better than gravity rays or some such..
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2007, 12:59:30 PM »
Where do we apply the tachyon pulse?

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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2007, 01:24:49 PM »
lol this innocent post really opened a can of worms :D

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Compare this with Batfink's assertion that some force is "pushing down on you".
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Gravity is an attractive force, NOT a repelling force.
my point was that Bat was talking about the effects of a force on a body, and as Newton worked out a while ago every force has an equal and opp reaction, so push/pull are both right. non-physicists generally only see one side of the reaction, so our language reflects this.

Got to admit that although I was right about the gravitational force acting from the CoM, I forgot another thing Newton worked out - inside a hollow sphere there is no net gravitational force. so displace a foot from the CoM and you will stay there :cool: smart guy that Newton :aok


I still want to know if its hot down there :D
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« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2007, 01:40:36 PM »
You just won't be satisfied poking and prodding into the center of the Earth until you let all the air out, will you.
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« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2007, 05:46:15 PM »
The only reason why i ask is when I was in high school.  My high school science teacher asked,"what if a stainless steal tube was cut right threw the center of earth.  And you jump in the tube, what would happen if you hit the center?"  That one question set up for a years worth of discussion and debate.  That is the only reason why I brought it up.

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« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2007, 06:13:05 PM »
Assuming that the tube is a vacuum, you'd blast through the center about 20 minutes after you jumped.  You'd be moving at a good clip, too, about 17,700 mph.
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« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2007, 07:25:30 PM »
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Assuming that the tube is a vacuum, you'd blast through the center about 20 minutes after you jumped.  You'd be moving at a good clip, too, about 17,700 mph.


Did you adjust for diminishing gravitational force once he leaves the surface?
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« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2007, 07:29:34 PM »
Yep.



The gravity at any radius r less than Rearth  will be linearly proportional to the distance from the center.

(per http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mechanics/earthole.html)
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