Author Topic: Tell Me Again How Great Halliburton/KBR Is (Read 2184 times)

texasmom · « **Reply #45 on:** December 11, 2007, 07:37:38 PM »

No matter how much anyone blindly detests or blindly defends KBR for their own personal reasons... it's never okay to show such little regard for the well being of another person in the way they did according to that article.

There's nothing wrong with rpm thinking that they're a bunch of blow-holes if they knew & didn't help her. Like them or not, if anyone in KBR knew that gal was gang raped & held captive, that's unsat. Bigtime unsat.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be so quick to hammer the nails in the KBR coffin. You're seeing a one-sided story. Not to say that her side should be disregarded at all... just saying that you can't base anything entirely on her side.

SkyRock · « **Reply #46 on:** December 12, 2007, 01:25:50 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
a "company" is just a legal entity, the things you mention have to be done by people.

It is people who make up a company, or maybe you need to brush up on your Latin? Also maybe you need to look at some recent case law on how a "company" is responsible for the actions of it's managers!:aok

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #47 on:** December 12, 2007, 01:30:16 PM »

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Originally posted by SkyRock
It is people who make up a company, or maybe you need to brush up on your Latin? Also maybe you need to look at some recent case law on how a "company" is responsible for the actions of it's managers!:aok

So you agree with John then..

Tigeress · « **Reply #48 on:** December 12, 2007, 01:39:08 PM »

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Originally posted by texasmom
No matter how much anyone blindly detests or blindly defends KBR for their own personal reasons... it's never okay to show such little regard for the well being of another person in the way they did according to that article.

There's nothing wrong with rpm thinking that they're a bunch of blow-holes if they knew & didn't help her. Like them or not, if anyone in KBR knew that gal was gang raped & held captive, that's unsat. Bigtime unsat.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be so quick to hammer the nails in the KBR coffin. You're seeing a one-sided story. Not to say that her side should be disregarded at all... just saying that you can't base anything entirely on her side.

Great post, in my opinion.

After looking into it deeper, I think a lot more digging by authorties needs to be done in lieu of a quick rush to judgement.

My sixth sense is detecting something fishy, not quite right, with the alligations being levied against KBR and this whole thing.

Do I think American Servicewomen are being raped in IRAQ by American Servicemen? Yes, I do. There is way way too much smoke to be no fire.

TIGERESS

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 12, 2007, 02:13:33 PM »

I guess I would just have to see the company policy that covered all this and said that these guys were doing the right thing.

lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #50 on:** December 12, 2007, 02:28:15 PM »

my guess is that there are creeps everywhere .. even in Halliburton

feel for the woman if the allegations prove true

Yknurd · « **Reply #51 on:** December 12, 2007, 06:33:27 PM »

Now Hillary is going over there.

WTG Remo!

CptTrips · « **Reply #52 on:** December 12, 2007, 09:34:39 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
I'd say there is quite a bit of evidence. ......... you also have the expert testimony from the Army doctors.

hmmm actually "Jones told ABCNews.com that an examination by Army doctors showed she had been raped...".

So we have the person making the charge, claiming that some unnamed doctors can confirm her accusation. Thats not the same thing as having direct, documented testimony from these unnamed doctors.

What were these doctors names? Are there official records of this examination? Where is that documentation? Nothing happens in the military without paperwork.

It wouldn't suprise me to find out later that things didn't happen quite the way she claimed.

It also wouldn't suprise me a bit to find out later, after REAL, hard evidence and documentation has been gathered that her story is absolutely true.

I simply don't have the same "NEED" to believe it as you do and am withholding judgement, in either direction, until more facts are in.

$0.02,
Wab

AWMac · « **Reply #53 on:** December 12, 2007, 10:45:05 PM »

Guilty until proven Innocent!!!

Mac

CptTrips · « **Reply #54 on:** December 12, 2007, 11:35:55 PM »

A different view:

http://www.overlawyered.com/2007/12/halliburton_gang_rape_and_fear.html

"In February 2006, Jamie Leigh Jones filed an arbitration complaint, complaining that, for her administrative assistant job with KBR in the Iraq Green Zone, she was placed in an all-male dorm for living arrangements, and a co-worker sexually assaulted her. [truncated] Fifteen months later, after extensive discovery in the arbitration, [truncated] The claims were suddenly of much more outrageous conduct: the original allegation of a single he-said/she-said sexual assault was now an allegation of gang rape by several unknown John Doe rapists who worked as firemen ...."

"the EEOC found that KBR provided immediate medical treatment and safety and shipped her home"

"But she no longer makes the implausible claim that she was living in an all-male dorm in Iraq"

"Note that two elements ..... Halliburton and gang-rape—only came about after Jones switched attorneys."

I do hope her congressman gets all the true fact out in the open. I agree with RPM that this whole thing does smell, but I think we are detecting different odors. Maybe after Tawana Brawley, Duke Lacross, and (dare I say) Juanita Broaddrick I'm just getting cynical in my old age.

Wab

rpm · « **Reply #55 on:** December 13, 2007, 12:37:34 AM »

I think I'd trust the Congressman (did I just say that?) and his investigation over a KBR arbitration. If it is as the KBR version claims, why aren't they cooperating with the investigation?

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In recent testimony before Congress, employment lawyer Cathy Ventrell-Monsees said that Halliburton won more than 80 percent of arbitration proceedings brought against it.

AWMac · « **Reply #56 on:** December 13, 2007, 02:15:48 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
I think I'd trust the Congressman (did I just say that?) and his investigation over a KBR arbitration. If it is as the KBR version claims, why aren't they cooperating with the investigation?

I say they should appoint an Independent Investigation Team to take a honest and unbiased approach.

Like the Warren Commission.

Opps no... I meant Watergate....

Damm opps again... I meant Travelgate.... dammm...

Try something like Whitewater gate and appoint Vince Foster...opps ...chit.

Wait TailHook?

We could appoint someone to investigate, right?

Perry Mason?

Mac

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio?
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
(Woo woo woo)

What’s that you say, Mrs. Robinson
‘Joltin Joe’ has left and gone away?
(Hey hey hey – hey hey hey)

AWMac · « **Reply #57 on:** December 13, 2007, 02:30:48 AM »

"In February 2006.......?"

*Looks at Calendar frantically......*

WTF?

Mac

Xasthur · « **Reply #58 on:** December 13, 2007, 02:54:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
What's the punishment for rape in Iraq?

A pat on the back, I suspect.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #59 on:** December 13, 2007, 03:17:24 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
I think I'd trust the Congressman

Well since al Capone is long passed I guess that would be a logical choice.

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If it is as the KBR version claims, why aren't they cooperating with the investigation?

Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
You can`t be that naive.