Females in combat zones/jobs. Good Idea? Bad idea?

[Tigeress]

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Originally posted by bozonMen are primitive creatures that think with their balls. No amount of education will erase that. It is better to accept this male limitation and work around it, than to ignore it for the sake of some "equal opportunity" agenda.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I don't think that's at all what he was trying to say.  I didn't see him excusing anything, especially not sexual assault.  What I saw was a good reason why men and women should not come together in the combat zone.

This is what I zeroed in on Benny...

The men are the problem. Like it or not, the women in the outfit affect the men and no, this is not a matter of education but a matter of biology.[/b]

That is the same old tired excuse some men have been spouting forever.

Women are a fact of life, nothing new here, and there is no excuse for bad behavior.

If a guy pulls crap on his female peer and another soldier stuck an M-16 up his six and said, "do it again and next time I will pull the trigger". You can bet the perp will usually get closer to God and rethink his life.

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
I don't think that's at all what he was trying to say.  I didn't see him excusing anything, especially not sexual assault.  What I saw was a good reason why men and women should not come together in the combat zone.

Benny,

Women are not assigned to the Infantry.

Also, men have gone over the top forever when one of their close buddies gets hit. It is training that keeps people from pulling stunts that get them killed. The stupid die early.

Also, some women, like some men, are born trouble makers. They will also get theirs from the commanders sooner or later if they are playing tail swishing games to cause trouble.
 
An ex-boyfriend of mine, an Army Colonel, and I have spoken many times about all this... according to him, members of an unblooded unit will only pull dumb crap till they wise up or get themselves killed.

A battle tested blooded unit is smarter about staying alive.

TIGERESS

PS: How are the hand issues coming along, dear?
Flying ok now, I hope?? Last time we talked you weren't able to fly...

[Benny Moore]

If I could get rid of my sex drive, I'd gladly do it.

[MotorOil1]

Originally posted by Tigeress
Women are not assigned to the Infantry.

Risk of being sexually assaulted and raped is greater from a US servicewoman's male peer than the risk of capture thus rape by the enemy.

That's a hell of a commentary on the respect between soldiers of the same Army, huh? Real squealing Heros  

TIGERESS

That's an interesting comment.  I've often thought about this as a problem but you never hear anything about it?  At least I haven't.  

That being said I'm with the Canadian Forces. All occupations are open to women, you just have to meet the qualifications of the job which from what I've seen are not gender or religious specific.  For example if the job requires you to be able to carry 200lbs a distance of 100m, then you're in.  

The CF opened all occupations to women in 1989 and I haven't heard of any problems.  I haven't gone looking for problems but policy hasn't changed in almost 20 years.  The only occupation which is restricted from women is submarine duty.

To my knowledge there has only been one CF woman killed in front line duty in recent history.  No one has been captured and overall, women have not been an issue with the CFs.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
If I could get rid of my sex drive, I'd gladly do it.

If you were in combat your sex drive would probably take a back seat to basic survival, dear.

'Sides baggy camos, green face battle paint, bad breath, and not having a bath for a week or two would no doubt make any woman a bit less... interesting to another dog soldier.

...especially after watching her blow the brains out of an enemy combatant with her M-16 then bark orders to her platoon.

peww-eeee!

TIGERESS

[bustr]

Tigress,

You ever been in combat, blown anybody away or barked orders at dogfaces in the heat of battle? Kinda projecting here arnt ya madam..............dogfaces and devildogs on this board tend to not project like you do........it's an aquired experience and taste.......

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by MotorOil1
That's an interesting comment.  I've often thought about this as a problem but you never hear anything about it?  At least I haven't.  

That being said I'm with the Canadian Forces. All occupations are open to women, you just have to meet the qualifications of the job which from what I've seen are not gender or religious specific.  For example if the job requires you to be able to carry 200lbs a distance of 100m, then you're in.  

The CF opened all occupations to women in 1989 and I haven't heard of any problems.  I haven't gone looking for problems but policy hasn't changed in almost 20 years.  The only occupation which is restricted from women is submarine duty.

To my knowledge there has only been one CF woman killed in front line duty in recent history.  No one has been captured and overall, women have not been an issue with the CFs.

ooooohhhh If you go looking for the information its all there.

Have a look see at this link--> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=servicewomen+rape+iraq

TIGERESS

[MotorOil1]

Again, I'm referring to the CF.  As I mentioned policy hasn't changed in almost 20 years for Canada.  That speaks for itself.  

Wonder why  it's such a problem for the US.  Another huge culture difference between Canada and the US?

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by bustr
Tigress,

You ever been in combat, blown anybody away or barked orders at dogfaces in the heat of battle? Kinda projecting here arnt ya madam..............dogfaces and devildogs on this board tend to not project like you do........it's an aquired experience and taste.......

My military experience or non-experience is private information.

But suffice it to say, I am a military brat born and raised.

Have been up to my ears in it and have been around military types all my life.

Project? yes, I project but only to the extent necessary to get a point across when needed.

I don't even like discussing this but a lot of guys are interested in it and a few people diss’ing women get me motivated as well.

'Sides, dogfaces and devildogs are your words, not mine.

With that said, I have been subjected to just about every military movie ever to come out of Hollywood because of who I choose to keep company with. So yes... I have an ear for mil-jargon such as FUBAR and a BUFF and Serra Hotel and AMF.

I can also tell you that I am a teacher among other things I do for a living and thus accustomed to the need of projection when needed.

TIGERESS

[bustr]

Originally posted by Tigeress
My military experence or non-experience is private information.

But suffice it to say, I am a military brat born and raised.

Have been up to my ears in it and have been around military types all my life.

Project? yes, I project but only to the extent necessary to get a point across when needed.

TIGERESS

I'm a military brat also. You are being deceptive on purpose. Both of my parents eventually retired from NSA at the end of the cold war, my father translated russian for SAC and routing of U2's and RB57's over Asiatic Russia, mother analysed Russian military stratgies, so what. You are not answering the question in favor of retaining control of your thread and your personal bias to women are as good as men at everything.

Have you personaly been in combat doing what you are professing expert knowlage of? The dogfaces and devildogs on this board who have don't talk about it. Goes with the territory of having been there. Respect for them rather than your bias to your agenda would dictate a better choice of imagery.........This kinda reminds me of the prevailing cultural attituide that got that F14 femal pilot Lt. Kara S. Hultgreen and her instructor killed during the Clinton era.......

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by bustr
I'm a military brat also. You are being deceptive on purpose. Both of my parents eventually retired from NSA at the end of the cold war, my father translated russian for SAC and routing of U2's and RB57's over Asiatic Russia, mother analysed Russian military stratgies, so what. You are not answering the question in favor of retaining control of your thread and your personal bias to women are as good as men at everything.

Have you personaly been in combat doing what you are professing expert knowlage of? The dogfaces and devildogs on this board who have don't talk about it. Goes with the territory of having been there. Respect for them rather than your bias to your agenda would dictate a better choice of imagery.........This kinda reminds me of the prevailing cultural attituide that got that F14 femal pilot Lt. Kara S. Hultgreen and her instructor killed during the Clinton era.......

I am not being deceptive, dear.

I am telling you flat out, my military background is not any of your business.

If you are trying to pick a fight with me it isn't going to work.

If you don't like what I have to say then don't read it.

If you have an axe to grind against women standing ground, take it else where.

If you want to talk and discuss, fine, just dont take it to a personal attack level.

Ok?

And, no where, not at any time, have I intimated I have been or not been in the military when conversing on this BBS.

Search the user name TIGERESS if you dont believe that.

TIGERESS

Edit: REVLON's superiors got her killed. She should have never been given a carrier qualification; she was over her head.

With that said, what happened to her has happened to men.

And, by the way, Bustr, her REO survived the crash; Revlon ejected while her plane was inverted due to a snap roll and she was rocket propelled head first into the sea.

Her REO ejected to safety.

She blew it big time; should have never even been allowed to be there.

[bustr]

Originally posted by Tigeress
If you were in combat your sex drive would probably take a back seat to basic survival, dear.

'Sides baggy camos, green face battle paint, bad breath, and not having a bath for a week or two would no doubt make any woman a bit less... interesting to another dog soldier.

...especially after watching her blow the brains out of an enemy combatant with her M-16 then bark orders to her platoon.

peww-eeee!

TIGERESS

I guess you've been there then......................... .......I hope some on this board may remember Camerone Day other wise.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by bustr
I guess you've been there then......................... .......I hope some on this board may remember Camerone Day other wise.

Guessing is allowed

Camerone Day? You mean April 30th?

TIGERESS

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by MotorOil1
That's an interesting comment.  I've often thought about this as a problem but you never hear anything about it?  At least I haven't.  

That being said I'm with the Canadian Forces. All occupations are open to women, you just have to meet the qualifications of the job which from what I've seen are not gender or religious specific.  For example if the job requires you to be able to carry 200lbs a distance of 100m, then you're in.  

The CF opened all occupations to women in 1989 and I haven't heard of any problems.  I haven't gone looking for problems but policy hasn't changed in almost 20 years.  The only occupation which is restricted from women is submarine duty.

To my knowledge there has only been one CF woman killed in front line duty in recent history.  No one has been captured and overall, women have not been an issue with the CFs.

Hi MotorOil1,

I also wanted to say... I must compliment your country and armed forces on the fair and equitable treatment of Canadian females in the military.

Your Navy is the only one I know of who have female submariners working side by side with male submariners serving onboard submarines.



TIGERESS

[Benny Moore]

How do they deal with the toilet problem?

I've noticed that none of the advocates of unisex restrooms have to use them.  Having worked at a factory, I've had the most unpleasant experience of being forced to use a unisex restroom.  It's a very uncomfortable and embarrassing arrangement.

Perhaps some of the women wouldn't mind, but they're not the only people on the submarine.

By the way, by "unisex restroom" I'm not talking about a single-toilet affair as those in some gasoline stations.  I'm talking about a multiple-stall restroom.  Few Americans will have encounted a multiple-stall unisex restroom.