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[lutrel]

Guys, I just got back from a good recon sortie in the AvA; I love the map, it looks great and the plane set is awsome.  However; it seems like ever since we came along and said we like to bomb and take a base every now and again, the settings have progressivly been getting tweeked against any sort of base capture.  

Guys I've heard all the excuses from people going and porking the map to it takes a live person to reset the map if somebody takes all the bases.  Lets be serious here a moment; we have gone out of our way to bring in some pilots a few times a week here, but none of you staff types seem to want to meet us in the middle somewhere.  Us Avengers have pledged not to pork the arena or even attempt to take enough bases to force a reset, but each new map brings yet shorter rebuild times and a higher number of troops required for a capture.

We would love to provide you guys with some realistic bomber formations to defend against a few times a week, but we ask for some middle ground on the issue or it becomes a lopsided issue with no rewards involved the bomber group.  We have been conducting about half of our bomber missions in the main, due to the unrealistic capture settings incountered in the AvA lately.  Like I mentioned above, we love the plane sets and the maps; I guess I do not understand why HTC would not continue developement in the AvA to the point of at least an auto reset.  The arena has the realism that a lot of us crave, barring the lack of base capture capibilities; please fill us in on the reasons why such a gold mine is sitting so stagnant.  

[TequilaChaser]

I am not or don't even know the whole ins and outs of the Avsa and the Vol. Staff that keep it up...but for the most part most maps have a generic arena setting......and when a map loads it loads this way and someone ( an AvsA staff member ) has to go in and individually set or tweak all the settings.......

I do not think anyone is out to foil your gameplay Luttrel, and the AvsA Staff members try to bring variety to the AvsA participants so they do not have the exact same game play or the exact saem arena settings week in and week out.....

and dammit all.......anytime there is gonna be water on a map they should most definitely have the F4U-1 or the F6f enabled since both were lend lease planes.....especially when the opposite side has niki's ki84s and ki61s..........that seems the only logical thing to do!!!

but also remeber it is up to each AvsA Staff member who by which take turns every week making the setup to set the arena up how they see fit or want it......


there ya go..TC's worthless notworth anything Dollar of advice......

[lutrel]

I'm with ya TC, I don't believe, or at least I don't want to believe anyone is intentionally tweeking the maps against us.  It's really hard to bring the subject up with out sounding like a complete whiner; but that's not what it is.  We just happen to think the maps and the plane sets are a lot closer to real life settings than what the mains have to offer and it just blows my mind that nobody has taken this to the next level by setting it up to auto reset when it needs to.  I honestly believe if set up for captures and auto reseting of the map, combined with the awsome maps and plane sets, low numbers in the AvA would be a thing of the past.

[soda72]

Here is what the arena settings should be for Forks setup this week...

AAA: .50
Fuel: 1.0
Radar: 52800 tower, 105600 sector
Downtimes: 30 minutes for all hangars/objects
Field capture: 30 troops (.0045)


The increased difficulty is done to discourage a single person going into the arena capturing all the fields by themselves, thus porking the arena.   Yes people do this, as to why, well there are a number of theroies....  

If there is a problem with a setting or if you think that one setting should be changed to some other value please feel free to ask to have it changed.     Fork is fairly reasonable about the settings, and will most likely accommodate as long as it doesn't make it to easy for a single person to pork the arena...

[Slash27]

Originally posted by lutrel

Guys I've heard all the excuses from people going and porking the map to it takes a live person to reset the map if somebody takes all the bases.  Lets be serious here a moment; we have gone out of our way to bring in some pilots a few times a week here, but none of you staff types seem to want to meet us in the middle somewhere.  Us Avengers have pledged not to pork the arena or even attempt to take enough bases to force a reset, but each new map brings yet shorter rebuild times and a higher number of troops required for a capture.

 

"Excuses"?   Intresting approach lutrel. Whine, complain, and imply the staff is out to get you. Not sure if ive ever seen this before.

[lutrel]

Flame as you wish Slash; I really wasn't trying to be negative with the post.  We are just a little dissapointed there is not an Arena in the game that offers the realistic plane sets like the AvA does, and yet still maintain the integrity of the game play.  I'm not asking for a complete revamp of the Arena, just looking for answers.  Still nobody has explained why an Arena with such potiential has not had ferther development.

[Panzzer]

And not exactly true either, the capturing hasn't been made more difficult on purpose. My setup (North Sea 1944) last week had the default downtimes for objects and had 20 troops to capture (which is default for my setups). So the base capture shouldn't be any more difficult than it has been for the last year or so.

And the reason why it's different from the MA's is that when the map gets reset ("the war gets won"), it requires one of us staff members to come to the arena to reload the settings, because the setup gets screwed whenever the map is reset.

I haven't yet had the pleasure to fly against/with you Avengers, but I'm glad we have some dedicated squads to fly in the AvA.

[soda72]

Originally posted by lutrel
Still nobody has explained why an Arena with such potiential has not had ferther development.

The reseting of the arena has been discussed with HTC, about a year ago.  However they were not receptive to the idea, at the time.  Basicly any development they do is geared toward MA, and CT.  They do listen but they focus on what makes sense for them.   AvA and special events, utilize what's been developed for MA.  Unless it's needed for those arenas it's a very low priority for them to do anything.

[lutrel]

Thanks for the answers guys, I do hope HTC will reconsider some ferther development of the Arena in the future for us folks that appreciate the realistic plane sets.  We do plan on sticking to the AvA arena for most of our squad nights.  We do enjoy flying in there and so far like all the maps that we have flown in so far.  Like I said guys, please don't take this post as bad mouthing any of the AvA staffers.  I did volunteer work in another sim off and on for years and know far too well how time consuming and un appreciated it can be.  

[Slash27]

Originally posted by lutrel
Flame as you wish Slash; I really wasn't trying to be negative with the post.  We are just a little dissapointed there is not an Arena in the game that offers the realistic plane sets like the AvA does, and yet still maintain the integrity of the game play.  I'm not asking for a complete revamp of the Arena, just looking for answers.  Still nobody has explained why an Arena with such potiential has not had ferther development.

Where are you getting thats its a flame? How did I make a personal attack against you?

Lets address some of what you posted.


Guys I've heard all the excuses from people going and porking the map to it takes a live person to reset the map if somebody takes all the bases.
Its not an "excuse". People have for years come in and ran the map without opposition and "won the war" for whatever reason. It porks the arena until ahave staffer can reset it. Thats a fact. We do not carry pagers that inform us when this occurs. We all have lives outside of monitoring the arena and cannto always be there to fix it. Tell me hows it fair to the few that enjoy this arena to have to wait for hours until one of us can fix the issue? We had got to the point where we did not set the arena up for captures because there was not a realistic need for it. Because your squad is in to base caprture we have made sure to adjust the settings so this is doable again. I guess this escaped you. One example is the ack. It used to regen almost seconds after being destroyed to discourage those who were porking bases to ruin furballs and such. Not its been adjusted so that base capture is possible.

Lets be serious here a moment; we have gone out of our way to bring in some pilots a few times a week here, but none of you staff types seem to want to meet us in the middle somewhere.    

Is there something preventing you from PMing a staff member, or dropping us an email and expressing what concerns you may have about the settings? Why you would think coming in to a public forum and imply the staff is not receptive and expect this to work out in a positive manner is a bit silly. Not really the smartest way to find a way to "meet in the middle". It does not matter who pledges not to pork the arena lutrel. Its the ones that do pork the arena and could care less about it.

We would love to provide you guys with some realistic bomber formations to defend against a few times a week, but we ask for some middle ground on the issue or it becomes a lopsided issue with no rewards involved the bomber group.  

How does base capture prevent a successful bomber mission? People have ran bomber missions for years here. The point was to bomb stuff. Cities, factories, fields, ports, whatever. Bombers bomb, escorts fight off the guys trying to kill the bombers. That was the point.

We are just a little dissapointed there is not an Arena in the game that offers the realistic plane sets like the AvA does, and yet still maintain the integrity of the game play.

Elaborate on this "integrity of gameplay".

[lutrel]

You seem to have a burr under your saddle Slash; the other guys answered my questions. Like I said before, I didn't post this to start a stink with you or anyone else; you seem to have taken it wrong and I apoligize to you for that.  

[Larry]

Lut best thing to do would be go back a few years and look at the setups. Everything was set at MA downtimes. Then some MAers started soming in thinking it was cool to milkrun base after base. Most of the time it would be happening around 2am. Because of this the settings were set to stop this. Sometimes troop carriers were just disabled. Other times all down times were about 5secs. How the settings are now are the best to keep one or two people porking the map, but also lets people like you guys get a base if you work at it.

[Husky01]

Originally posted by lutrel
I honestly believe if set up for captures and auto reseting of the map, combined with the awsome maps and plane sets, low numbers in the AvA would be a thing of the past.

I rarely ever visit the AvA so I'm sure you could personally care less about my opinions but, I don't believe that turning the AvA into a "Win t3h war!" and "milking" mind set would necessarily help the numbers if anything I feel it would hurt the numbers.


Btw Slash Its been a while bud

[Slash27]

Originally posted by lutrel
You seem to have a burr under your saddle Slash; the other guys answered my questions. Like I said before, I didn't post this to start a stink with you or anyone else; you seem to have taken it wrong and I apoligize to you for that.  

I always have a burr

PM if you have any questions or concerns about anything.







<> Husky, hows the FSO going?

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Larry
Lut best thing to do would be go back a few years and look at the setups. Everything was set at MA downtimes. Then some MAers started soming in thinking it was cool to milkrun base after base. Most of the time it would be happening around 2am. Because of this the settings were set to stop this. Sometimes troop carriers were just disabled. Other times all down times were about 5secs. How the settings are now are the best to keep one or two people porking the map, but also lets people like you guys get a base if you work at it.

This is an excellent summary.  The problem is particularly troublesome with a small map, like the lovely new map Fork put into the arena this week, or with a map where the third country's bases are within easy reach of people who - intentionally or unintentionally - want to destroy the bases.  (All AH maps require the existence of three countries, as I understand it.)

As to why HTC hasn't spent more resources on the AvA:  The very existence of the arena really was HTC's gracious effort to meet the desires of those players who wanted an Axis v Allied arena.  As you can see today, the number of players who actively support AvA over the long term is quite small, compared to the total number of players.  Being able to win the map might bring in more, but the arena almost certainly will never approach the numbers of the fly-your-favorite-plane arenas.

- oldman