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Offline Adonai

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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2007, 01:21:24 PM »
I've tried the YakT at busting GV's, forget it it wont happen.
You might get lucky IF the tank took that much damage already, but the weapon is with high explosive rounds not armor piercing. B-25's gun can pierce a tank with HE round from the rear because were talking about a 75mm vs a 37mm both are slow velocity.

Hurricane D model had pair of 40mm 2pound anti tank guns under the wing and can easily blow up a tiger with magic shot, or turret or disable a tank easily.

I suggest using Hurri's if ords arn't available or anything with bombs on it.

Tiger tanks are quite easy to destroy with 1000lb bombs, 500lbs I may of destroyed perhaps 2 this tour. Would say 20 tigers destroyed with 1000lbers. Overall 20+ tanks destroyed with Hurri-D only one with YakT thats after it was already damaged took my full ammo load.

F4u-C is good if your coming off a CV but a F4u-D would be no perks doing it and guns will do the same effect on an osti as F4u-C

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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2007, 01:37:59 PM »
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were talking about a 75mm vs a 37mm both are slow velocity.
 


The Yak-T 37mm NS-37 has about the highest velocity of all guns in this game at 900m/sec. That's why this gun has such superb ballistics.

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The Hurri D can kill every GV in game, including the Tiger. But it's small volume of fire  makes it less suited to attack M3's, M16's, jeep's. Attacks on Ostwinds border on suicidal for the same reason.

The Il-2 easily shreds all light armored vehicles and the Panzer IV. Sherman is a bit more difficult, you actually have to aim for the right spot there. T-34 are almost impossible to kill, and Tigers actually are. A Ostwind however is a fun target to attack with the Il-2

The B-25 can easily kill anything with it's gun package, but it's low speed, size and bad maneuverability (compared to the other tank-busters) results often in a premature death (auger, flak hits or the famous "WTF? He shot me with his tank gun!?!?!" :D)
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2007, 01:39:25 PM »
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next time im bustin GV's with it i will.
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2007, 01:52:33 PM »
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Mass defeat of tanks from the aviation cannon, widely advertised in films and memoirs, in most cases concerns to "tall stories". To punch the vertical armour of the average or heavy tank from 20-mm - 45-mm of an aviation gun simply it is impossible. Speech can go only about the armour of a roof of the tank which in is some times more thin vertical and made 15-20 mm at average and 30-40 mm at heavy tanks.


Quoted from success of NS-37 weapon vs tanks.

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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2007, 01:54:33 PM »
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Nearly bomb-proof.  1 1000 lb bomb placed properly will kill them.  I've gotten quite good at it  :)

What makes the Tiger so tough, unlike any other armor, is that a near miss won't harm it (a near miss will kill other tanks).  Beyond that, not only does it have to be a direct hit but it has to be in the proper location (on the flat behind the turret).


Why do GV drivers never suffer "pilot" wounds? a 500kg bomb hit 2 meters from the hull might not kill a Tiger but it would certainly scramble the crew's brains if not outright incapicicate [sp?] 'em.
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2007, 02:02:47 PM »
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Either way, Vans, Tiger hardness vs. bombs needs a serious looking at. Even if 2000lbs dropped within a tank-length wouldn't be enough to blow it apart, at the very LEAST the concussion of that much explosive material would do nasty things to the crew.


Its purposely i believe, 'cause there too easy to bomb gvs. They probably want to make Tiger little less vulnerable to airstrikes. As it was said above, you still can blow Tiger with 1x1000 or even 500lb, just need aim better.

btw, i told it many times - tank's crew is not affected by shockwave at all, no matter how big or close bomb was (until armour is ok and hatches are closed).
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2007, 02:16:05 PM »
rockets on the 190F8 will kill all tanks. just gotta get good aim first
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2007, 03:04:27 PM »
Thanks folks.  I wasn't entirely positive whether the rounds in the -1C were HE or AP, and given that the -1C in R/L was "used to good effect in an air to ground role", I thought I might be my fault that I've not had much luck with it.  But it appears as though the general consensus is that it's a pretty much a waste of time to use the -1C if your intent is to eliminate tanks - which is pretty much what I've experienced.

(And no, I don't consider doing a bunch of "unnoticed" damage that I get a kill credit for sometime later when someone actually kills it as anything but a waste of time.)  

So unless someone thinks that I should be able to consistently track a tank with it (in my experience trying to track them doesn't seem to be effective either - once in a while but usually they just absorb the shells without slowing down ...) I'll stick to bombs (and/or rockets, although bombs are usually MUCH more effective for me.)

In which case I'll generally use the -1D anyway.

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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2007, 03:23:16 PM »
Yeah tracking a tank is rather useless, would take just as long to track a tank as taking up a Hurri-D and blowing his turret out or engine or both. Quite simple instead of aiming guns at tracks, climb high above the GV from behind, dive down on top, I use my guns at 450 converg and get usually 4-6 shots off before i pull out.

On general you will more likely turret the tank, if he stops suddenly you more likely shot his engine out either way you stopped him.

I kinda enjoy tracking tanks in middle of no where though, you see them run circles for 5-10 minutes before realizing nobody is running them supplies.

It does take ALOT of practice to aim those 40mm, they are pretty easy to aim, if you want to make sure you hit and kill something set your guns to 250converg

I've used 650 in the past but seem to only hit side of the tanks at 400 out so I settled with around 400-450

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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2007, 03:50:18 PM »
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rockets on the 190F8 will kill all tanks. just gotta get good aim first


CC that Overlag :)  The first time I got a tiger with rockets alone I was quite amazed :D

The armor penetration values for the Pb1 (the rocket on the 190F8) will punch through ANY tank we have in game :)

But the one thing I have been trying to get out of HT (with little success) has been if AH uses strike angle in its calculations for the Pb1 (and other true HEAT rounds).  Sometimes Ill get a kill on a tank (they blew up when the rockets hit) and I thought the rocket would have hit at a angle that would have defeated the round.

Something I hope HT replies to :)

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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2007, 09:02:49 PM »
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I'd like to see film of this.
The 37 mm on the T is HE and not AP.


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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2007, 09:06:52 PM »
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I'd like to see film of this.
The 37 mm on the T is HE and not AP.


The B25 has HE to and that can take out tigers. It's not impossible you just have to hit them in the right spot.
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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2007, 09:18:05 PM »
The B-25 has a 75mm for one thing. Where is this "right spot" anyway?  Need film.

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« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2007, 09:38:55 PM »
yakTs gun can and will kill tanks.
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« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2007, 09:39:28 PM »
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The B-25 has a 75mm for one thing. Where is this "right spot" anyway?  Need film.



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