Author Topic: Witchcraft (Read 1042 times)

SirLoin · « **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2008, 03:40:23 AM »

Submission is the order of the day in any religion..You are taught from birth you are a groveling,worthless worm & are in debt for other peoples sins from someone who you never asked for the loan from in the first place.

SD67 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2008, 04:01:25 AM »

Amen to that!
I'm just guessing here, but you seem to have had a fair helping of Roman Catholicism in your upbringing?

SirLoin · « **Reply #32 on:** January 13, 2008, 04:25:27 AM »

i was raised without religion..My exposure to Catholicism
waas when i got married(wife Catholic) and when i enrolled my son in Catholic school.

He was in his 3rd week of JK(3 yrs old) when he was suspended from going on a field trip to a pumpkin patch(for not standing up on command..had to take a day off work)..and was repeatedly sent down to the Principal's office,made to stand in the corner until he stopped crying(he didn't..he pee'd his pants instead)

I went down the next day and waited for the Principal.He at first denied doing that..then later said my son was defiant and wouldn't listen to him when he was told to stand against the wall...a 3 year old!

That was as much of the "Catholic system of shame" as i was going to let Marlon see..Now he's in public school in SK and he's doing just fine(not 1 phone call)

as for me..i referr to myself as being a born-again athiest.

SD67 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 13, 2008, 04:45:27 AM »

Ahh understood
I had a Catholic school inflicted upon me when I was young as well. Unfortunately for them I learned to use it to my advantage and spent many hours in the chapel where I was supposed to have been on my knees reciting the Rosary.
There were other things that went on there as well, much of which probably had a great influence on the person I am today even though they were only two years of my primary school life.
I can say without any reservation that the school administration from that and probably every subsequent school I attended until my last 3 years of public high school breathed a sigh of relief when my Father was transferred and I moved to a new school.

SirLoin · « **Reply #34 on:** January 13, 2008, 05:05:51 AM »

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Originally posted by SD67
That topic was touched on, according to Christian mythology, God instructed him to sacrifice his son but stayed his hand at the moment of the killing stroke as a test to his willingness to submit to his will. He (God) provided a sheep as a substitute and the sacrifice was committed.

Poor sinfull sheep..Isn't there a thread on ritual sacrifices?

i guess that's where the term "sacrificial lamb" comes from(& i bet nobody ate the meat from that creature)

The pig is also described as a filthy unworthy animal in many scriptures...They are actually highly intelligent animals and make great pets.

wrag · « **Reply #35 on:** January 13, 2008, 02:04:12 PM »

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Originally posted by SD67
The forms of witchcraft that involve human sacrifice are the hyped up christian inspired hollyweirdised variety.
True wiccans respect life. Furthermore genuine satanists have much better things to do with virgins than sacrifice them too.
It's high time the media got away from the hype and call it what it is. A barbaric act perpetuated by the delusional and mentally disturbed.

How about you post some links for your claims?

Many fresh human skulls and bones have turned up in Mexico?

Perhaps you are a Wiccan. I have no problem with that if it's the case.

I do have a problem with you reply Sir.

Some children have been murdered.

IMHO your reply is misplaced/mistimed in this thread.

wrag · « **Reply #36 on:** January 13, 2008, 02:16:14 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
Poor sinfull sheep..Isn't there a thread on ritual sacrifices?

i guess that's where the term "sacrificial lamb" comes from(& i bet nobody ate the meat from that creature)

The pig is also described as a filthy unworthy animal in many scriptures...They are actually highly intelligent animals and make great pets.

You're post IMHO are out of place and mistimed.

IMHO you SEEM like you are trying to DEFEND, and JUSTIFY, the murder of these children.

If so then IMHO you are doing something despicable.

Further you SEEM to be using this thread to vent your personal feeling regarding religion, and that is IMHO out of place in this thread!

Does Your seeming bitterness, and seeming hatred, toward religion require it?

wrag · « **Reply #37 on:** January 13, 2008, 02:20:43 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
i was raised without religion..My exposure to Catholicism
waas when i got married(wife Catholic) and when i enrolled my son in Catholic school.

He was in his 3rd week of JK(3 yrs old) when he was suspended from going on a field trip to a pumpkin patch(for not standing up on command..had to take a day off work)..and was repeatedly sent down to the Principal's office,made to stand in the corner until he stopped crying(he didn't..he pee'd his pants instead)

I went down the next day and waited for the Principal.He at first denied doing that..then later said my son was defiant and wouldn't listen to him when he was told to stand against the wall...a 3 year old!

That was as much of the "Catholic system of shame" as i was going to let Marlon see..Now he's in public school in SK and he's doing just fine(not 1 phone call)

as for me..i referr to myself as being a born-again athiest.

Question?

How would you feel if it were YOUR child selected by someone for sacrifice in such a ritual?

SirLoin · « **Reply #38 on:** January 13, 2008, 02:47:19 PM »

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Originally posted by wrag
You're post IMHO are out of place and mistimed.

IMHO you SEEM like you are trying to DEFEND, and JUSTIFY, the murder of these children.

If so then IMHO you are doing something despicable.

Further you SEEM to be using this thread to vent your personal feeling regarding religion, and that is IMHO out of place in this thread!

Does Your seeming bitterness, and seeming hatred, toward religion require it?

i don't know how to split quotes & post so here goes..

#1:i strongly disagree
#2: that is whack in accusation
#3:see #2
#4:you are correct & wrong in the same sentence
#5:yes

SirLoin · « **Reply #39 on:** January 13, 2008, 03:22:27 PM »

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Originally posted by wrag
Question?

How would you feel if it were YOUR child selected by someone for sacrifice in such a ritual?

i honestly couldn't tell you how i would feel,but i could definitely tell you how i would react.

You think i hijacked your thread?...perhaps(i appologize)

But you don't seem to see the coalition between scripture & barbarism.

wrag · « **Reply #40 on:** January 13, 2008, 03:26:51 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
i don't know how to split quotes & post so here goes..

#1:i strongly disagree
#2: that is whack in accusation
#3:see #2
#4:you are correct & wrong in the same sentence
#5:yes

Perhaps you should take a careful look at the original post at the beginning of this thread, and ask yourself what it is about.

Then REREAD you own post and the post put forward by SD67 and the manner in which someone might think it all comes together.

I don't care what religion or lack of religion either of you prefer. Religion is not what this post was intended to be about.

It's about someone using children as a sacrifice, in a ritual, very recently. The responses I see IMHO SEEM to be aimed at taking a wack at religion and to give explanations that SEEM aimed at justifying human sacrifice.

I have problems believing these children volunteered for this. If they did I have problems believing they actually understood what they were volunteering for. <( in reference to druids using volunteers ) Which IMHO is an opinion as none of us were there to actually see if the offered sacrifice actually volunteered or was volunteered against their will and all that survived claimed they went happily to be sacrificed.

IMHO That you have issues with religion was apparent from your post, and your answer marked #5 backs that up.

Those issue SEEM to be overwhelming you? That you SEEM to prefer to attack religion rather then discuss what was done to those children?

That others SEEM to read this the same way? Look at their responses and read them again?

BUT TRY reading them without your SEEMING HATRED of religion fogging what was posted.

Try thinking of JUST those children instead of YOURSELF and your issues?

Maybe insert your own children in their place?

Might that just for a few seconds relieve you of your issues, your hatred for religion long enough to see what this thread was intended to be about?

Perhaps that might create a different perspective.

One unclouded by hatred of religion?

Perhaps it now becomes apparent to you?

wrag · « **Reply #41 on:** January 13, 2008, 03:40:19 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
i honestly couldn't tell you how i would feel,but i could definitely tell you how i would react.

You think i hijacked your thread?...perhaps(i appologize)

But you don't seem to see the coalition between scripture & barbarism.

They were barbaric times. Many things were acceptable then that are NOT acceptable now. Or at least were not acceptable when I was young.

And perhaps you are coming to understand I'm not interested in discussing religion right or wrong here.

The discussion is human sacrifice right or wrong.

SD67 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 13, 2008, 07:33:48 PM »

Sorry if my post offended you Wrag.
I was not in any way condoning the sacrifice of humans in any way, shape or form.
The point I was making was that slaying of these innocents would not have been done so by contemporary Wiccans (For the record I am not Wiccan).
There are two religious cults that do come to mind that are both active in the area and also have been known to practice ritual sacrifice.
Voodoo cults and those that follow the ancient practices of the Inca religion have been known to make human sacrifice on specific occasions. The Inca practice comes immediately to mind, as at the coronation ceremony of a new King, 200 children were sacrificed to mark the occasion.
I don't have references immediately to hand, as it is a subject I covered during my Anthropological studies back in the late 80's early 90's but I will do a search later this evening to see what I can find.