Author Topic: Adult A.D.D.  (Read 2470 times)

Offline Imoutfishing

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 554
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2008, 03:04:26 AM »
I advocate no drugs at all.  Teach the children to deal with it asap.  

There will be cases when the drug's are usefull but it's up to the parent's to make sure their children are not being "dope'ed" into submission.

I have started an agressive plan with the doctor's to reduce's my oldest's drugs.  The problem is it takes a ton of effort from Mom (& me but she does most of the work) to deal with it.  

It's all subjective.

MGD

Offline Suave

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2950
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2008, 07:44:09 AM »
I'm surprised to learn that having AD/HD precludes one from military service because when I was in I knew a soldier that had a prescription for and took ritalin. I can only guess that he was diagnosed after he was accepted for service. The service is funny that way; have diabetes, can't get in, develop diabetes while in the service and you can stay in. So my advice is if you have AD/HD, don't tell the recruiter and stop taking your meds. You won't need them in basic or ait anyway. Then after you've been in for a year, go get tested for AD/HD.

The army also used to issue ritalin to soldiers for use on long duration missions.

Offline eskimo2

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7207
      • hallbuzz.com
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2008, 08:55:14 AM »
First of all,
ADD does NOT equal crazy.

Second,
Teachers do not diagnose ADD, only a doctor/shrink can do that.  Teachers may suspect it, but if a teacher tells a parent, “I think your child has ADD”, their career pretty much ends right there.   Parents, teachers and others who know the child well fill out surveys that the psychologist compiles along with his/her own observations and tests.  Heck, I filled one of these out yesterday.

I don’t know much about adult ADD in particular, but I’ve worked with plenty of children with ADD.  The meds are scary and have serious side effects.  I’ve seen kids go from being super happy, laughing, joyful kids to total zombies.  Often they try different dosages or drugs and find a happy medium.  I’ve seen plenty of kids go from being Tasmanian Devil spazzes who have little idea what’s going on, to pretty good students who learn alongside their peers.  I’ve also seen plenty of kids who have never really improved; many kids only seem to learn a small fraction of what their peers learn.  (Note: I teach K-8 computers to 440 students and have been with the same kids for six years.  I am not where fully aware of all of my students diagnosis, meds & IEPs, however.)

As far as dropping sugar and caffeine; in many ways these are drugs and may be a big part of the problem.  I challenge any adult to drop caffeine and sugar (including candy, sweets, sugared drinks, sugared deserts, etc.) for one week.  You will be amazed by the results!

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2008, 10:28:25 AM »
The catholic school teachers said that I was lazy and an underachiever..  I daydreamed and tuned out.. I got good scores on IQ tests.   I AM EXTREMELY GLAD NO ONE DRUGGED ME UP WHEN I WAS IN SECOND GRADE.

It is a scam of all scams.  My nephew was told (by teachers rip) that he had add and that he couldn't come back to school till he got drugged up.

My brother fought it but had few resources.. the poor get drugged more...  and he lost.. the kid got drugged.. he was not even a kid anymore.   My brother was frantic and finally just took the kid off meds and worked with him and impressed on him how to "fake it"...  

the kid is now 16 and normal and healthy.. took him shooting the other day.

An adult who thinks that they have add enough to be drugged is either naive or a woman.

lazs

Offline JB88

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10980
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2008, 10:34:29 AM »
well, i am glad that you stopped being a woman when you stopped drugging yourself too lazs.

;)
this thread is doomed.
www.augustbach.com  

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. -Ulysses.

word.

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2008, 10:44:43 AM »
well jb..  have you ever noticed what crybabies druggies are?    I think that being one myself and being around em...  you just don't notice it at the time but..   what a bunch of whiners and excuse makers for their "need" to be drugged.

It is difficult to quit drugs.  I did not have an easy time of it.   I am extremely glad that I was not given drugs as a second grade school kid.

I would also say that prescription drug abuse is very very common.   You have an estremely high chance of becoming a drug abuser from long term perscription  drug use.

So yeah... most drug users and abusers are womanly about crybabies..  I was too.

lazs

Offline DYNAMITE

  • Parolee
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1350
      • http://www.texasaircav.com/
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2008, 10:53:05 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Because of the drugs prescribed aren't just casual vitamins.  They are practically Speed.


Anyone who has ever been on Ritalin or the other ADD drugs are automatically precluded from US Military service.



This part of your statement isn't true... or let me say this... if there is a regulation, it is ignored.  Annecdotally, about 10% of the OIF/OEF vets that I see have the Dx and take the medications (and most of them were Dx'd prior to enlistment.)


As far as the second part of what you said (not included in the quote above) i agree with you a gazillion percent.

ADD & ADHD exist, there's no doubt... but it and Autism are so over diagnosed it's [sadly] laughable.  :(   But that's just my opinion.

Offline JB88

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10980
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2008, 11:08:02 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
well jb..  have you ever noticed what crybabies druggies are?    I think that being one myself and being around em...  you just don't notice it at the time but..   what a bunch of whiners and excuse makers for their "need" to be drugged.

It is difficult to quit drugs.  I did not have an easy time of it.   I am extremely glad that I was not given drugs as a second grade school kid.

I would also say that prescription drug abuse is very very common.   You have an estremely high chance of becoming a drug abuser from long term perscription  drug use.

So yeah... most drug users and abusers are womanly about crybabies..  I was too.

lazs


please lasz, call me 88.  weve known each other long enough.

i know lots of people like that.  not just ones on drugs.

i also know that there was a time when it saved my ever loving life.

that wasn't an excuse.  it was just a thing ya know?
this thread is doomed.
www.augustbach.com  

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. -Ulysses.

word.

Offline Suave

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2950
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2008, 11:14:30 AM »
Once again Lazs is spectacularly wrong. This is the typical narrow minded attitude that people with AD/HD will be confronted with. I wouldn't wish this problem on anybody and I, unlike some, certainly don't see it as a gift.

I do concede that it is probably a missused diagnosis in children. And legislation is exacerbating the problem. They say that 40% of children with AD/HD "grow out of it" by the time they are adults. And 60% have AD/HD for life. I'm suspicious that those who "grew out of it" never really had it in the first place.

AD/HD isn't something that just partially affects a person. It's profound, in all aspects of their life.

I think, in my lay opinion, a key indicator that a child's brain is normal, and they don't have AD/HD, is that after adjusting medication the child is still less normal than he was before medication.

The medication is supposed to normalize performance, if it doesn't then the dosage needs to be adjusted, or stopped. I use the word performance, not behavior. Since AD/HD is not so much a behavioral problem, but a performance problem.

Like I said, it is a problem that has visible medical causes. My advise to parents who suspect that thier child has AD/HD is to first have their family practice physician evaluate them for things like hypo/hyperthyroidism. Then a psychologist to evaluate them. Then finally if the psychologist's exams indicate AD/HD, have a neurologist examine them, EEG, MRI etc. If all the diagnostics are positive for AD/HD return to the psychologist so he can refer you to a child psychiatrist to help you develop a plan of treatment.

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2008, 11:39:51 AM »
suave.. how am I wrong?    How is anything I have said wrong?

Is this add a new disease brought on by climate change?   did it not exist when I was growing up?    The kids seemed to have survived then.   some kids.. like me.. couldn't pay attention.. as we got older we prioritzed .    I got advanced education on my own later in life on my own time at night.. when I needed it or.. seen the need for it.

So who of my generation was untreated and had it so bad?   what are the stats?

lazs

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2008, 11:42:25 AM »
and 88 (I feel so much closer to you now) ..  how did it save your life?

I am serious.    I daydreamed my way through school.   I have had a tough time staying on a project or whatever even now but.. I have used these things to my advantage.. it allows me to make quick and good judgements I think.   I never have problems making a decision.   I am never bored.   I am an individual..  I don't want those things drugged out of me.

lazs

Offline JB88

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10980
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2008, 11:46:30 AM »
there is a difference between daydreaming and simply being unable to find a way to balance.  taking medications allowed me establish discipline and habits that were essential to my growth as an individual.  

i should not say that it was just the drugs that did it...i did...but it helped.  alot.

i was not then, nor have ever been, any less of an individual.  

for me it was medicine.  not drugs.
this thread is doomed.
www.augustbach.com  

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. -Ulysses.

word.

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2008, 12:06:48 PM »
I can't say.. just as you have no idea what my life was like.. I have no idea what yours was like.   I am old enough to have seen a lot of kids and kids grow up though..  In my time people had more kids too. the neighborhood was full of em.

I have to say that I have never seen anyone as bad as you tell me you were so my experience may not be enough.   I also say that my parents sent me to doctors who felt my problem was not just "daydreaming" but...

Again.. I am really glad that no "help" was available.

How did it save your life again?  did you walk out in front of cars?  I did that to some extent.. forgot to get off school buses and such too.  No big deal..  had four brothers.. if one didn't survive.. still had four I guess.

lazs

Offline eskimo2

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7207
      • hallbuzz.com
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2008, 12:31:11 PM »
I don’t think diagnosing ADD is as simple as “you have it” or “you don’t”, it’s a sliding scale.  I think that most of us have ADD symptoms to a certain degree, some of the time.  Some folks have ADD symptoms to the extreme, practically all the time.  Many of these folks just can’t function anywhere near normal in society without medicine; the benefits of the right dosage of the right drug outweigh the drawbacks of the side effects for these folks.  

It’s arguable whether those kids who are between normal and extreme should go on drugs; each child is different.  Each child may be missing out on a lot of important learning and habit development.  Each child may be hit with negative side effects more or less.  Some doctors have reputations for leaning towards the drugs, while other’s lean away from them.  Some parents want an easy solution while others will never consider medications no matter severe their child is.  Most parents and doctors are interested in what’s best for the child and do not come to conclusions easily.

It’s ironic to criticize “drugging up kids” when most parents don’t think twice about loading them up with caffeine and sugar and may be only somewhat concerned when older ones consume alcohol and use tobacco among other things.

Offline Suave

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2950
Adult A.D.D.
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2008, 01:18:36 PM »
Lazs it really sounds to me like you don't have AD/HD. Like I said if you can build something, or make yourself prepare a meal, or fold laundry without being miserable than you probably don't have AD/HD. To a person with AD/HD almost everything is boring to them.

To a person with AD/HD the mundane tasks of daily life, for example washing dishes or taking out garbage, are excruciating. We will force ourselves to do what we really, really have to do but it will cause us to be miserable. I'm sure this sounds rediculous to people who don't have this problem.

How many times have you locked your keys in your car this month? How many times have you lost your keys this month? How many times has your car battery been dead because you forgot to turn the lights off?

 How many autos have you had repossessed from you not because you couldn't afford it but because you just didn't make the payments? How many times have you had your utilities turned off for the same reason?

How many times a week does a coworker or somebody standing right in front have to stop talking and snap their fingers or bark your name to get you back into the conversation?

Have you ever slept through artillery, or often while undergoing dental procedures? Would you rather have a root canal rather than wash dishes? Do you understand why people sleep on beds? Or own multiple dishes, or furniture? Have you ever procrastinated eating for more than a day?

I think a small percentage of people have alllways had AD/HD, they just forced themselves to do the minimal to get buy, and lead pretty miserable lives.

When I was in school nobody could figure out what was wrong with me. My dad knocked the crap out of me, I was put in special ed type classes with somebody allways looking over my shoulder, still I would rarely ever even complete an assignment. I got held back a year. I was given an IQ test and scored very well, I didn't have any learning disabilities like dyslexia. Everybody eventually gave up, concluded that I was lazy or a product of an abusive parent.

At some point one must wonder why a smart person would make his life miserable if it was just a matter of self discipline.

I did well in the military because I excelled in the field, out in the mud and snow. Back in the rear I caught a lot of heat for things like allways messy quarters. Eventually my supervisors would overlook these things because I was a good soldier where it mattered. My attempt at college was pathetic. I got a bone head vocational degree after 2 attempts.

I continued to get by in life, barely. Mostly by being a hard worker, going out of my way to help coworkers and being naturally funny. This has probably kept me from being fired a few times. As I was often late, forgetfull, and I often wouldn't do clerical work without a lot of threatening.

Never the less I was often miserable and living well below and behind my capabilities.

I learned about AD/HD and it didn't take me long to realize I was a poster boy candidate. So I went for treatment, I procrastenated for 5 years and I was late for appointments but I finally did it. And I got treated, it was a pretty clear cut diagnosis. I started on medication, for me it worked absolutely.

Now I can do things like wash the dishes and it doesn't seem like crossing the himalayas, so this is what it's supposed to be like? Too easy. My place isn't in a state of squalor anymore, I can have friends over now. Now after I complete mundane task I don't feel like defeated crap, I actually get a positive feeling. I can do basic every day things and it doesn't make me miserable. I've resumed my education, and I actually like it.

So, you see, I know that AD/HD is quite real. No matter what quacks try to say, or how many try to dismiss it as just normal laziness or day dreaming.

Just recently I've been able to see what life is like without suffering from AD/HD. And don't even want to think about the possiblity of having to go back to the way I was because I couldn't get treatment anymore because some flakes convince enough politicians that AD/HD isn't real.