Scores Scores Scores!

[dhyran]

it will change a lot. Many people don't look at the score in deatail, but enough do to make a difference.

But most important: broadcasting killstreaks with a landing message is not even a "detail". It's a major thing. A big determinant of gameplay.

ok, you got me here.

than please, add it only as a single listed score number, inside the fighter scores, and dont show it online when landed

think this will be a good compromise, just add a kill streak number at the score pages, dont let it have an impact on the current score system, and people who have fun about it like me, have their wished score number, all other seems just a number inside the score pages, but nothing else is affected

how about that now?


@lusche: aren't you intrested at a kill streak?

[Anaxogoras]

Yeah, putting streaks in the buffer would change behavior.

When I said streaks wouldn't change behavior, I was talking about it merely being another stat.

[Lusche]

@lusche: aren't you intrested at a kill streak?

Not anymore. I once got a 140 kills streak, but when I finally was killed, I actually had a feeling of relief, not anger.
I still try to kill without being killed, and to get home, but I don't keep any killstreak count

[dhyran]

Yeah, putting streaks in the buffer would change behavior.

When I said streaks wouldn't change behavior, I was talking about it merely being another stat.

cc good compromise like i wrote above:

just add a kill streak number at the score pages, dont let it have an impact on the current score system, and people who have fun about it like me, have their wished kill streak number, all other seems just a number inside the score pages, but nothing else is affected

hitech, could this be a good solution as a compromise Sir?

[hitech]

than please, add it only as a single listed score number, inside the fighter scores, and dont show it online when landed

think this will be a good compromise,

A compromise that is bad for game play is not a good compromise but a bad compromise. As far as I have seen in this thread no one has listed one reason why going for a streak is good for game play.

The score system has always been about trying to promote a balance of wanting to live and flying aggressive, and the need to get kills. Nothing in this thread really convinces me for any need for a change. Event the current landed 2 kill message is designed with both in mind, nothing lost if you have not gotten your 2nd kill by dieing. But after 2 kills more people want to try land.


HiTech

[dhyran]

A compromise that is bad for game play is not a good compromise but a bad compromise. As far as I have seen in this thread no one has listed one reason why going for a streak is good for game play.

The score system has always been about trying to promote a balance of wanting to live and flying aggressive, and the need to get kills. Nothing in this thread really convinces me for any need for a change. Event the current landed 2 kill message is designed with both in mind, nothing lost if you have not gotten your 2nd kill by dieing. But after 2 kills more people want to try land.


HiTech

well, in my eyes it is a simple add on, which didn't affect the gameplay. ok, i will ask during christmas again 

[K-KEN]

Back in the day, I can say that, there was a message for every kill when it happened. The text buffer got full in a hurry. That is why landing kills is the best place to see it. Over 1 is a streak, more importantly, it gives you a bit of an atta-boy for EVERYONE to see. The current system is fine, IMHO.

[Anaxogoras]

There's no doubt in my mind that 2 kills in the text buffer influences behavior far more than K/D, K/S, K/T, etc.  Dhyran seems to be suggesting that streak not even be counted toward rank like the previous 3 are.  That would seem to make it a meaningless statistic except for those who care about it in the abstract.

Score is what it is.  We still have people who couldn't care less if they died, and we still have people who make every effort not to die.

[guncrasher]

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 and we still have people who make every effort not to die.

U mean they make every effort to run unless they can get a sure kill.  We already have way too many pickers in the game, that additional status would just encourage more people to pick and run.  same as the 2 kill notice, lots of people turn around and land once they get that second kill.  btw, if it is so important to you why not keep track of it yourself.  I do,  I have  a piece of paper on my desk and keep track of two statistics that are important to me.  one, how many pickers I kill,  and second how many of those pickers I kill by ho and I lived.  now that I wish it would really get added to the month end statistics.  see who killed the most pickers, now that would really be fun.

btw regarding the score I wish it was a little more like AW, where the points awarded was based on the rank of the person that got killed.  the lower the rank, the less points u got.  

 

semp

[dhyran]

There's no doubt in my mind that 2 kills in the text buffer influences behavior far more than K/D, K/S, K/T, etc.  Dhyran seems to be suggesting that streak not even be counted toward rank like the previous 3 are.  That would seem to make it a meaningless statistic except for those who care about it in the abstract.

Score is what it is.  We still have people who couldn't care less if they died, and we still have people who make every effort not to die.

well, it isn't my goal to dicuss the whole scoing system, therefore i say, please add just a counter called 'kill streak' for each Vehicle type per player. Just for those like my who like to see how long it last at the End. I know there are a lot of pilots who would like to have that option seeing how many kills they made without getting killed.
Yes, add it as an abstract number please, i mean i see so many guys turn and burn at the ground, they having their kills per hour score. fine, but not intresting for me. I follow the Hartmann Rules.

- when i didnt have an advantage i never went direct into a fight, i turned away, Coffeebreak!
- i planned my sorties to have all time the Option to Escape, Altitude, Speed etc. (All time coming in above the Cons let you keep smiling!)
- everytime i show Patiance!!! Never trying to make the Fast kill! I go for 100% Energy Fight. Pure Boom and Zoom is the preffered Attack Method! (I never let myself dragged down for a Low Level Fight)

flying that way is a great fun for a lot of pilots. it has nothing to do with so called picking!
So please Hitec please rethink the request. It has no issue at the Gamplay as long as its not listed in the buffer. I just would like to see a kill streak at the score pages, thats all

P.S. additional i follow my prussians sublime vitue of never give up

[Anaxogoras]

U mean they make every effort to run unless they can get a sure kill.  We already have way too many pickers in the game...
semp

Semp, you sound so bitter.  I was really trying to use a neutral term instead of slanting things with an agenda.  Personally I could care less if they add streak to score, I was just trying to point out that Dhyrans request, when watered down enough, wouldn't change anything.

Looking forward to picking you soon,

gavagai

[guncrasher]

Semp, you sound so bitter. 
gavagai

True I am bitter.  dont take it personally, It really gets old and I have quit playing ah several over the same issue.  It is really frustrating when your trying to up and there's just one guy flying around picking people off then you try to confront it and he just dives and runs away.  where's the skill in that.  and then you guys want your name in lights for basically refusing to fite unless you are assured of a kill.  that's funny. 

semp

[Anaxogoras]

I hear ya, but keep in mind that "pick" only refers to attacking a plane that's already engaged with another aircraft.  Simply diving down for an attack is not cherry picking.

[dhyran]

True I am bitter.  dont take it personally, It really gets old and I have quit playing ah several over the same issue.  It is really frustrating when your trying to up and there's just one guy flying around picking people off then you try to confront it and he just dives and runs away.  where's the skill in that.  and then you guys want your name in lights for basically refusing to fite unless you are assured of a kill.  that's funny.  

semp

well, there are several ways to play semp, when i started in 2000, i starts like we all did, get a plane and turn and burn like hell. some stay on that gameplay, for me it was frustrating to get killed at the end, maybe call it picked. i never complained about it, because its me who must change. Dont cry about the bad situation, change your way to fight to win! thats what i did at the end. So over all the years i am more and more a pure Energy fighter using B&Z as preffered attack method. Additional i left my old squadron while i wanted to play taht fighter style exclusive after 7 years. Believe me, not an easy decission. The skill in it is the preccision you need on BZ attack. Caculating the speed when you are at the target, dive in with the knowledge, when and where will be the con in 3 seconds! the time frame to hit is much more shorter instead of a pure turnfight. Well, i dont complain on others gameplay, there is no way to discuss it. people go into different direction, where it should ends if everyone went into the same?
Second, noone wants to see name in lights, as i pointed out, all i would like to have is an 'kill streak score at the web', as i named it as a good compromise, no message inside the game about streak, no influence into the current scoring system.
I allways find it funny when so called lone wulfs being shoot down by a 'horde'. some call it horde, other would say teamplay, some call it oicking, other smart flying, its all a point of view
Speaking for myself, i have the biggest fun, flying in 3 Elements, climbing up to 24 k , having a nice fights between organised squadrons up there, because, up there you are not getting a complain, you get repect and a big <S> from others, because there are no easy target flying around.
maybe you should think about the games name, its called aces high, not mudcrawler low  

[guncrasher]

Its not the dying that bothers me, I do my share every night, its part of the game. its the so called experts of the game (again I am not referring to any of you) who only want easy kills and when in the slightest disadvantage just run way, to protect their score, or kill ratio.  they always refuse to engage on a 1v1 ,or even when they have more numbers, unless they are sure they can get a kill.  

Like hitech said earlier in the thread, what would happen if more people tried to beat or improve their kill streak in the game because now it is another statistic that gets posted on the board.  we would just have a game where everybody just flies around, in other words a flight simulator, not an air combat simulator. Yes the game allows you to play the way you want, which is the cool part, but the coolest part is the one where you get to actually engage another plane in combat.  Runing away away to avoid getting killed is a legitimate defense, I mean nobody wants to get killed eveytime they up and that includes me, but when you runaway as a matter of policy just to protect your streak, it changes the object of the game.  and ah knows that posting that statistic will motivate more people to improve theirs.


and btw the compare the skill needed to know where the plane is gonna be during a dive attack is similar that when you turn fite.  U always gotta calculate where the plane is gonna be in the next couple of seconds and get the bullets there before he does.  only difference is not much skill needed to avoid getting shot down if you miss your shot and just run away.  
semp