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Offline lasersailor184

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2008, 06:56:08 PM »
I'm pretty sure, as per the Confederation to Constitution switch, no state has the right to tax things coming in from another state just for ****s and giggles.



However, since very few people have the money to post for a constitutional challenge, there is only ONE other option.


Take all of your aviation buddies, band together and boycott maine itself.  It doesn't matter if your plane is a new one or not.  Briefly set together a budget of all of the money you have spent in the past years in Maine (regardless of for what), and get all of your buddies to do the same.

Estimate how much money you threaten to cut off, send this to the governors office.


Then start to convince all of your non-aviation buddies to do the same thing.  

Take up a small collection among buddies to put up a website describing what Maine is doing, further convincing OTHER people to boycott Maine.  Describe what Maine is doing as "Confederate Practices, not seen since the Civil War."  Without even batting an eye you've likened Maine to Slavery, and your cause grows stronger.
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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2008, 12:22:47 AM »
Update today from Steve:

For those of you that have been following this absurd saga, I will briefly recap and then continue where I left off from the earlier thread.

In November and December I was able to generate a lot of negative press about Maine’s aggressive and unfair policy of taxing out of state pilots for simply flying into the State. The publicity included AeroNet News, AvWeb, AOPA and a widely distributed article by the Associated Press. Furthermore, the Portland Herald published an editorial a couple of weeks ago also reinforcing our position that the State’s use tax policy on non-resident pilots was inappropriate, and misguided.

The publicity was sufficient to mobilize Maine Revenue Services (MRS) to generate their own counter press releases and to publicly disclose (for the first time) their policy on taxing out of state aircraft. In late December, I was issued a final decision letter that my appeal had been formally denied and that I must pay up within 30 days or file in Superior Court (my deadline was Jan 25th, 2008).

In mid January, I met with Jack Cashman, the Sr. Economic and Political Advisor to the Governor. It was a good meeting and he actually listened to what I had to say and appeared interested to help. He agreed that what the state was doing was not fair, not smart economically and definitely a public relations disaster. So, after that, I was actually quite hopeful that the Governor would step in and force Maine Revenue Services to withdraw the letters for me and the other affected pilots. Last week, the AOPA also had a meeting with Cashman and a number of other state politicians reinforcing the message.

The deadline we imposed was yesterday – As a result, a summit meeting was convened that included Governor Baldacci, Jack Cashman, other cabinet members, Maine Revenue Services, the Attorney General’s Office, etc. From second hand conversations after the meeting this is what I learned: The meeting was quite contentious with MRS arguing that there are many people that don’t agree with their tax assessments and if the Governor steps in this time, he will be setting a terrible precedent. In the future, anyone who is not happy will think they can just go to the Governor and he will overrule his own taxing department. They argued that there is already a system in place for people who don’t agree with their assessments -- the Maine Superior/Supreme Court. The argument was also made that if the Governor helped us, it would become publicly known that the Governor intervened and there would be a backlash from people saying -- the Governor is willing to take care of rich people with airplanes, but not the rest of us – who also need tax relief.

So Governor Baldacci blinked first and caved in to Maine Revenue Services. Today we filed a petition in Superior Court and the litigation has begun. Now that we are in litigation I am prohibited from talking with anyone inside Maine government. Fortunately, the AOPA has become actively involved over the last couple of months. In fact, they have agreed to cover my initial litigation expenses. Their commitment and response has been really important and helpful at a critical time.


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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2008, 12:44:42 AM »
The mentality is probably as simple as if they can afford a plane they can afford another tax.

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2008, 12:45:37 AM »
I take offence to this part especially.
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the Governor is willing to take care of rich people with airplanes,

In about 5 years I hope to be flying my own aircraft and I am far from rich.
Most folk I know who do own aircraft are far from rich, they have had to make extraordinary sacrifices to pursue their passion of flying. It a stereotypical bullchit attitude and it sucks.
It's akin to saying that anyone who owns their own home/business/sports car is rich.:furious
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2008, 12:46:38 AM »
That's awesome

This Governor is a moron (as your friend has learned).  Some quick research will show that, as I mentioned previously, our Governor feels plucking higher fees and taxes from tourists is the answer.  He is facing overwhelming pressure from taxpayers who, on average, earn less than the nation average yet pay the highest taxes.

I hope this goes all the way up to the Supreme Court, because I do not have much confidence in the legal process here.

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2008, 12:48:12 AM »
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I take offence to this part especially.
 
In about 5 years I hope to be flying my own aircraft and I am far from rich.
Most folk I know who do own aircraft are far from rich, they have had to make extraordinary sacrifices to pursue their passion of flying. It a stereotypical bullchit attitude and it sucks.
It's akin to saying that anyone who owns their own home/business/sports car is rich.:furious


Its just the liberal mindset.  If you have an airplane, in their eyes, obviously you are wealthy.  

As for the cars...dont start!  Before long, they'll devise a method to charge a higher toll on more expensive models!

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2008, 12:51:10 AM »
Well the government here in Oz has actually found a way to tax the RAIN so I wouldn't be surprised to see the greedy bastages jumping all over this one soon as well.
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2008, 10:05:39 AM »
At least here in Virginia they do it the old fashion way. Most of the State Reps are share holders in AEP (American Electric Power) and they voted to allow power companies the ability to charge as much as they wanted in the state. Since AEP has the monopoly on power, they charge insane rates on everything, and since they're the only power company, you're forced to pay or go without lights. Around here the average home (single family) gets a power bill of $150-250 a month. My power bill has increased by 300% in the last 5 years, yet I'm using LESS kWh than 5 years ago.
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2008, 12:34:57 PM »
What do you all spend the money on?  Snowplows?  I know that Kalifornia has tons of social welfare programs, but Maine never really struck me as a tax and spend state.  

On a side note, I can't believe this doesn't fall under federal regulation of interstate commerce.  Maybe carry a candy bar and sell it for $0.50 when you land.  

Crazy crap.

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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2008, 03:23:28 PM »
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The mentality is probably as simple as if they can afford a plane they can afford another tax.
Isn't this a primarily socialist...er...democratic state? ;)
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2008, 11:05:57 PM »
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What do you all spend the money on?  Snowplows?  I know that Kalifornia has tons of social welfare programs, but Maine never really struck me as a tax and spend state.  

On a side note, I can't believe this doesn't fall under federal regulation of interstate commerce.  Maybe carry a candy bar and sell it for $0.50 when you land.  

Crazy crap.


Well, we have a hand-out mentality here.

We also have the highest ratio of Medicaid users.

I mean, come on, Kalifornia is one thing, Im up here in the Northeastern Liberal Occupied Territories   :)