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« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2008, 11:52:20 PM »
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Just kind of a stupid question, when can we expect to get the p-39 and are we gonna get the p-39 Q first??


When the next game update is released, we'll get both P-39s then.. Figure this month sometime.

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« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2008, 12:04:39 AM »
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When the next game update is released, we'll get both P-39s then.. Figure this month sometime.

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AWESOME!! Well i hope we get it by the next week ( by the way) cause that was my #1 waiting thing that i wanted in the game!! Thnx
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« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2008, 12:24:40 AM »
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AWESOME!! Well i hope we get it by the next week ( by the way) cause that was my #1 waiting thing that i wanted in the game!! Thnx


You know, it's starting to make me wonder, now...If we're getting the P-39, which was a hot 2nd in the voting, I wonder if they are going to start working backwards' down the voting, and introducing as to the poll results? Anyone remember what made it into the final round with the B-25 and the P-39?

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« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2008, 12:27:49 AM »
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« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2008, 12:42:34 AM »
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You know, it's starting to make me wonder, now...If we're getting the P-39, which was a hot 2nd in the voting, I wonder if they are going to start working backwards' down the voting, and introducing as to the poll results? Anyone remember what made it into the final round with the B-25 and the P-39?

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« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2008, 02:31:24 AM »
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You know, it's starting to make me wonder, now...If we're getting the P-39, which was a hot 2nd in the voting, I wonder if they are going to start working backwards' down the voting, and introducing as to the poll results? Anyone remember what made it into the final round with the B-25 and the P-39?

I'd be very surprised if they do that.

The P-39 was unsual for a couple reasons.  One, it fills a lot of gaps.  Two, the voting was extrordanarily close between the B-25 and P-39.  Personally, I was half expecting this to be the case.
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« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2008, 02:35:03 AM »
Im willing to bet its going to be something french, or japanese.


But honestly, id like the He111 and brewster, just to shut a few thousand player's up "who have by the way asked for these two Ac for YEARS."


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« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2008, 06:47:56 AM »
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Have you flown the 109 with gun pods


p39 with the pods will really not perform that well.
maybe use it as a town killer in that set up especialy if it can have good ord packages.
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« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2008, 08:52:59 AM »
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p39 with the pods will really not perform that well.
maybe use it as a town killer in that set up especialy if it can have good ord packages.

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« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2008, 10:01:46 AM »
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« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2008, 10:04:46 AM »
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Welch also made it a habit at the slightest sign off something wrong to just bail out of the p-39. He didnt like it and wanted to move to the 38's. Wonder how many 39s he tossed.


George Welch was unhappy with the P-39's limited range. Japanese aircraft had been pulled back beyond the range of the P-39s and P-40s. Across the field from the 36th FS was the 80th FS, flying P-38s. They were getting all of the Group's (8th FG) kills because they had the range to take the fight to the Japanese.

Invariably, when Japanese land based aircraft arrived, the P-39s were unable to climb high enough, fast enough to engage. That's the legacy of single speed, single stage supercharging. The AVG suffered this same problem in Burma and China. Even when the P-39s were able to wobble up to 25,000 feet, they were so far down the backside of their power curve that their performance was simply miserable.

Welch's 3 kills in the P-39 came against Japanese Naval aircraft, and for a change, the 36th's P-39s had the altitude advantage and were at an altitude where their P-39s were substantially faster than the Zero escorts.

Aside from this one engagement, Welch spent much of his time flying escort to transports, flying long boring patrols and attacking ground targets in support of Army ground forces in New Guinea.

Growing bored and disillusioned, Welch asked the CO of the 36th when they might get P-38s. The answer was "I suppose when they run out of serviceable P-39s". Welch walked over to the HQ hut and presented the same question to the 8th's CO. He received the same answer. George discussed this response with several of his squadron pals, and they made a pact to dispose of any P-39 that demonstrated a mechanical failure.

No one knows for sure how many P-39s were dumped in Papua Gulf, but Welch is believed to have left two P-39s rotting on the bottom. Word trickled back to the 36th's CO that Welch was the ring leader of the P-39 revolt. Realizing that Welch had way too much political pull with USAAF leadership to discipline him over what really boiled down to his zeal to fight; it was decided that the lesser of the two evils was to transfer him across the airfield to the 80th FS.

*Welch was fortunate that he received his transfer. When the 36th FS was reequipped, it didn't receive P-38s. Instead, the squadron was equipped with the P-47D-3 and -5. The Jug had greater range than the Airacobra, but still lacked the range to take the fight to the Japanese airfields.

Welch did not miss the opportunity, shooting down 9 more Japanese (in just 3 engagements), with squadron mates insisting that he shot down at least 5 more that he never bothered to put in claims for. After being promoted, he was transferred to the 8th HQ staff, where he continued to fly combat missions. Welch was removed from combat due to a dangerous case of malaria. After he had recovered, doctors decided that the haggard and worn-out pilot had seen enough combat and Welch was transferred back to the States. He had flown 348 combat missions, logging nearly 800 hours of combat zone flight time.

As it turned out, Welch was not very popular with the pilots of the 80th FS. Some felt that he was a rich kid who pulled strings to get into the unit. (It was widely believed that Welch was heir to the Welch's Grape Juice fortune, but George was the son of chemist who worked for Du Pont). Other's didn't care for his general disregard of regulations that Welch felt were meaningless or unimportant. Still others thought Welch to be reckless, bordering on suicidal. Certainly a few pilots resented Welch's fame and the fact that Hap Arnold would insist on getting monthly reports on George from the group CO.

Nonetheless, Welch's combat leadership and skills could not be ignored. Everyone who flew with Welch had to admit that the guy was a gifted combat pilot. He was cocky, abrasive with a single-minded aggressiveness and a bit of a loner; Welch didn't fit into the culture of the 80th very well. But, when you think of other pilots who displayed those same traits, names like Thomas McGuire and Robert Johnson come to mind.

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« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2008, 10:59:38 AM »
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He was cocky, abrasive with a single-minded aggressiveness and a bit of a loner;[/B]


This seems to be the general description of many of the best fighter pilots. The same could certainly be said of Boyington (add drunk to that list). Coincidence, or are these traits indicative of the stuff needed to succeed in air combat?
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« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2008, 11:05:55 AM »
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next you get boobies

(was too racey for p39d default skin so it will be a player add on :D )



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« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2008, 11:14:06 AM »
Many fighter jocks were, and are, a bit odd. Most dont have much use for regulations. I remember a big stink was made once by our foreign hosts, during my days overseas in USAF, regarding our hotshot F-4 Phantom sticks standing the airplanes on end at full throttle over the base, and other assorted maneuvers. They were told to cut it out, in no uncertain terms, and for days afterwards you couldnt breath the air around the airbase due to the F-4s doing standing climbs. Ever hear an F-4 on full AB with the engines pointed right at you?

                    Eventually they had to be asked...nicely. They couldnt have cared less. We invested millions into them, needed the birds for special weapons delivery, and the sticks all knew they were to old to be rotated into the coming 15s and 16s.

                  Fighter jocks are a different breed. At least they were. I had a friend who flew Jugs in the ET and boy the stories he told me about these guys. But boy they could fly those jugs. Also many had problems after the war. With booze and trying to live life off the razors edge.

                  My guess is George was stuck with a fame he really didn't want. And it must have been frustrating to be assigned to aircraft not capable for the mission.
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« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2008, 11:25:08 AM »
Most career military types of any stripe are a little off (ever hung out with Marines, or Cavalrymen?), but pilots have always been a step up in the uniqueness department, and fighter pilots a level above the rest (with combat chopper pilots at almost the same level).

Must be something about the desire to wrangle a several ton hunk of steel and aluminum at several hundred miles an hour and G levels that most people can't handle while people are shooting at you on a daily basis, coupled with the mental ability to compartmentalise it down from "I'm killing people" to "I'm destroying machines".

The let down after getting out of several years of combat is always hard for anyone to cope with, but guys of that stripe seem to be one of two classes- either they take off their uniform and never look back (like John Godfrey, who never touched the controls of an aircraft after getting out of the Army), and the guys who spend the rest of their lives looking for the rush and danger they used to get in the service- or drowning their depression for the rest of their lives, which is basically just a different way of coping with the same thing.
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