Author Topic: La5 and LA7 (Read 9379 times)

Lusche · « **Reply #120 on:** February 07, 2008, 02:38:53 PM »

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Originally posted by VansCrew1
With the new look of the LA coming out you can bet all the dweebs will be in them.

In other words: You will be flying it all the time?

VansCrew1 · « **Reply #121 on:** February 07, 2008, 02:40:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Lusche
In other words: You fly will it all the time?

Nope. The only time i fly an LA if for base defence. It's the only plane that can really get up and take out the goons with out having much of a problem with the other fighters.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #122 on:** February 07, 2008, 02:49:42 PM »

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Originally posted by VansCrew1
Nope. The only time i fly an LA if for base defence. It's the only plane that can really get up and take out the goons with out having much of a problem with the other fighters.

But if all LA7 drivers are dweebs and you only fly one for base defense that by default makes you a dweeb as well. Just sayin'

ack-ack

moot · « **Reply #123 on:** February 07, 2008, 02:50:13 PM »

And the super-dweebs will be in 39s. I can't wait

Squire · « **Reply #124 on:** February 07, 2008, 02:54:30 PM »

Hope they redo the Yaks, it would be nice to get the much more common 20mm SHVAK armament on the Yak-9 too.

JeepinAZ · « **Reply #125 on:** February 07, 2008, 03:30:01 PM »

The only reason I would want the LA-7 perked is to force newbs into other planes. You should have to earn the right to fly the better planes. This in turn would hopefully push towards a trend in people who can actually fight with actual ACM tactics instead of "full throttle, push stick left, right, up & down & pull trigger". (Which is how I fly

) Then when you get better, you get to fly Spits & the like.

(I'll stick with my Jug though)

VansCrew1 · « **Reply #126 on:** February 07, 2008, 03:35:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
But if all LA7 drivers are dweebs and you only fly one for base defense that by default makes you a dweeb as well. Just sayin'

ack-ack

I'm a dweeb to defend a base.

BaDkaRmA158Th · « **Reply #127 on:** February 07, 2008, 03:41:51 PM »

"I fly a la7 when i have too, not when i want too - kaRmA."

RumbleB · « **Reply #128 on:** February 07, 2008, 04:04:33 PM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
"I fly a la7 when i have too, not when i want too - kaRmA."

"yes, the famous karma. gotta love guys who quote themselves. it's fun talking like this - rumbleb"

Yeah, I can't wait for this la7. La7's are my number one kills every tour. I'm not joking when I say it will be nice to see the new models n shoot em down.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #129 on:** February 07, 2008, 05:25:45 PM »

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Originally posted by JeepinAZ
The only reason I would want the LA-7 perked is to force newbs into other planes. You should have to earn the right to fly the better planes.

The LA7 is already one of the better planes. It's also stupid to try and force someone to fly a plane they don't want to fly. A very nice way to lose players and keep more from joining.

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This in turn would hopefully push towards a trend in people who can actually fight with actual ACM tactics instead of "full throttle, push stick left, right, up & down & pull trigger". (Which is how I fly )

Doesn't matter what plane a player flies if the player has no interest in learning proper ACM and fighting tactics. By forcing players to fly other planes, all you are doing is transferring dweeb style of flying to the other planes.

Once you get a few more years under your belt, you'll come to realize that there are no dweeb planes, just dweeb pilots. If a player flies like a dweeb in a LA7, he's going to fly like a dweeb no matter what plane you put him in.

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Then when you get better, you get to fly Spits & the like.

Why most someone "graduate" to another plane if they improve their skills? It's a rather silly notion, well, actually a rather idiotic one that seems be part of the persuasive mentality by the majority in this game. Why is the concept of flying what is fun for you so foreign to the majority?

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Ack-Ack · « **Reply #130 on:** February 07, 2008, 05:27:08 PM »

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Originally posted by VansCrew1
I'm a dweeb to defend a base.

No, just a dweeb. Remember, a dweeb by any other name is still a dweeb.

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Krusty · « **Reply #131 on:** February 07, 2008, 05:34:05 PM »

An analogy (disclaimer I just made this up on the spot, it's not perfect)

A teenager in highschool may take great delight in riding to the dump with some pals, a case of beer, a gun, and shooting rats. Instant gratification, little to no effort, and the target gets screwed over.

The same teenager grows up a little, goes to college, learns a lot more. He goes back to the dump but it's changed. He's more mature now. He can still shoot rats and drink beer but he's opened his mind and it's sad and pathetic for him to do this now.

Using the easy-mode spitfires for a crutch to learn is okay, sure, whatever. But never growing out of them shows a lack of development, IMO, not more development. If you don't fly half the planes in the game with moderate competence by the time you hit the 8-year mark, you've closed yourself off. Once you HAVE experienced more, learned more, broadened your horizons, you usually tend to lean towards a mental fun, not an instant-gratification-fun.

Mental fun not to be confused with "a bad plane" -- but something you have an intellectual enjoyment of, be it for the history, the pilots, the mission behind it (bombing, anti-tank, whatever) -- you don't just go for instant easy kills.

Which famous author was it that said (paraphrasing): "When fun no longer takes any work, it ceases being fun"?

P.S. The line/author was quoted in the pilot of The Invisible Man (Sci-Fi Channel remake many years back). I probably butchered it horribly.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #132 on:** February 07, 2008, 06:03:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
An analogy (disclaimer I just made this up on the spot, it's not perfect)

A teenager in highschool may take great delight in riding to the dump with some pals, a case of beer, a gun, and shooting rats. Instant gratification, little to no effort, and the target gets screwed over.

The same teenager grows up a little, goes to college, learns a lot more. He goes back to the dump but it's changed. He's more mature now. He can still shoot rats and drink beer but he's opened his mind and it's sad and pathetic for him to do this now.

Using the easy-mode spitfires for a crutch to learn is okay, sure, whatever. But never growing out of them shows a lack of development, IMO, not more development. If you don't fly half the planes in the game with moderate competence by the time you hit the 8-year mark, you've closed yourself off. Once you HAVE experienced more, learned more, broadened your horizons, you usually tend to lean towards a mental fun, not an instant-gratification-fun.

Thank you for providing an example of what I was posting about. If a person flies one particular plane, such as a Spitfire, it doesn't show any "lack of development" like you try to show in your analogy.

For example, I exclusively fly the P-38, which in your mind means I've closed myself off because I haven't experienced "more". But if you and I were to fight, I'm willing to bet that I'd come out on top no matter what fighter I flew.

In case you didn't know, ACM is ACM no matter what fighter you fly. A High Yo-Yo is done the same way whether you fly a Spitfire or a FW190.

So instead of being a lemming, why not just advocate flying what is fun for the player? Because what is fun for you, might not be for someone else and you are in no position to criticize anyone for flying the plane they choose to.

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Guppy35 · « **Reply #133 on:** February 07, 2008, 06:17:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Thank you for providing an example of what I was posting about. If a person flies one particular plane, such as a Spitfire, it doesn't show any "lack of development" like you try to show in your analogy.

For example, I exclusively fly the P-38, which in your mind means I've closed myself off because I haven't experienced "more". But if you and I were to fight, I'm willing to bet that I'd come out on top no matter what fighter I flew.

In case you didn't know, ACM is ACM no matter what fighter you fly. A High Yo-Yo is done the same way whether you fly a Spitfire or a FW190.

So instead of being a lemming, why not just advocate flying what is fun for the player? Because what is fun for you, might not be for someone else and you are in no position to criticize anyone for flying the plane they choose to.

ack-ack

Going with AKAK on this one. IF you have fun flying it, go for it. For me it's the history aspect. The 80th was a 38 squadron. With the 39 coming, I'll fly that one too as the 80th had it.

Doesn't mean guys in the 80th can't fly what they enjoy but the fun is in the 38.

In a scenario I'll get into whatever bird goes with the history of the group I'm flying. Spit,s 109Es, P40s, etc.

But that's just me. To expect someone else to fly it that way is just silly. If a guy has fun in an LA7, go for it. If it's a Spit, go for it.

Who cares. Unperk em all.

As I've same a million times now. As long as I'm not really dying and planes are free, who cares.

goober69 · « **Reply #134 on:** February 07, 2008, 06:19:41 PM »

well ill say that i intend fully to learn to handle every fighter in the game at some point,------ that said there are some i just do not like right now. (namely the hard A## aiming of planes with 30.mm and greater, or most axis planes for that matter. maybe when i get MUCH better ill go back and get interested in some of the hardest planes to fly, but for now ill stick to the ones i enjoy whenter im dying or not.

right now my favorite plane is the n1k (yes i know im a dweeb) but i have really learned some of the tricks to it, i can go fly a spit 8 probably just as well, and an f6f slightly worse.
i would really love to get good in the p38 but after a year and a half of playing ive probably loged only 200-150 hrs in it compared to maybe 500-1000 in the other planes of the set.

i really love the p-47-d40 as a fighter and jabo ride, but im not that good in it. its nice to beable to carry so much ord then switch over to fighter.
im also interested in the 109-g10 but i dont think i have the skill to handle it yet.

jsut MHO i don't see how berating someone for flying an easy plane acomplishes anything, yes encourage people to learn other planes but don't shove it in their face that they suck for only flying easy planes.
(not acusing anyone here, or trying to make anyone mad)