Berkeley secedes from the union (or attempts to)

[Trell]

Originally posted by AKIron
Do you honestly not see the difference between Walmart and a recruiting station? What has this country come to?

Not really  They both should be decided by local government.    

We should be happy,  this would have meant that less tax dollars would go to the upkeep of this building.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Chairboy
I disagree with what Berkeley did and the things they said were terrible, but I'm even more disturbed with the way the federal government used the threat of withholding federal funds to force compliance.  Big central government goes against everything our founding fathers stood for.

I believe it's a good thing that the Federal Government is threatening to withhold funds.  The government in no way, shape or form OWES this money to them, regardless of the promised destination.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Trell
Not really  They both should be decided by local government.    

We should be happy,  this would have meant that less tax dollars would go to the upkeep of this building.

The people of that city have a responsibility to the nation under whose banner they enjoy many privileges and freedom. This goes way beyond simply paying their taxes every April 15th.

[Charon]

There are some parts of this country that I would be happy to see secede, and Berkly is one of them. Maybe we can throw a bone to those MEChA folks and just give it back to Mexico.


Charon

[Trell]

Originally posted by eagl
Ummm....  The USMC is not a "business", and it is already fully under the control of civilian leadership.

Except for the emotional aspects, this is little different than trying to kick the US post office or the IRS office out of town.

The US Post office provides a local service.   The IRS collect federal taxes.
Berkeley Supports the military  by paying taxes,  It should be their choice if they want a local recruiting station.

They are not making a lay banning people that serve in the military from the city/.

[john9001]

trell, please cite the law that allows the city to deny a recruiting office in their city.

[eagl]

Originally posted by Trell
The US Post office provides a local service.

You're implying that the USMC doesn't provide any services, and some regions should be somehow excluded from essential functions such as recruiting for the military services that ensure our national defense?  



Dude.  Amazing.  You might want to crack open a history book or two.

The current administration's war policy is an excuse to forbid the USMC from recruiting in Berkeley, and an excuse from preventing Berkeley residents from being able to easily find out information about military service?

Is "liberal" supposed to be the new label for people arbitrarily excluded from military service?  As far as that goes, it might even be illegal on an anti-discrimination basis to close that recruiting office simply because some activists don't want recruiting to go on there.  Isn't that discriminating against the (probable minority of) people in Berkeley who are in fact interested in military service?

The last time a bunch of white guys tried to get together to prevent a minority group from joining military services, the whole nation got a wake-up call.  Removing a military recruiting office is an effort to intimidate people, nothing more.  That's generally considered a crime.

[AKIron]

Principles sold for a few bucks aren't worth buying.

"Berkeley city officials indicated they likely would withhold now sending a letter containing the message they agreed on at last week's council meeting."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329866,00.html

[eagl]

The official USMC position is a pretty good assessment of the true situation...

Gunnery Sgt. Pauline Franklin, a spokeswoman for the Marine Corps Recruiting Command, told CNN there is "no plan for that office to move."

She said recruiters are there to "provide information to qualified men and women who are looking for opportunities that they may benefit from by serving in the military."

"The Marine Corps is here to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, which does guarantee the freedom of speech," Franklin said. "In terms of the situation in Berkeley, the City Council and the protesters are exercising their right to do so."

[Trell]

Originally posted by john9001
trell, please cite the law that allows the city to deny a recruiting office in their city.

Please cite the law requiring all cities to have a recruiting station.

[eagl]

Originally posted by Trell
Please cite the law requiring all cities to have a recruiting station.

The federal government is authorized by the constitution to raise an army.  That pretty much covers recruiting.

Any more silly questions?

[Trell]

Originally posted by eagl
You're implying that the USMC doesn't provide any services, and some regions should be somehow excluded from essential functions such as recruiting for the military services that ensure our national defense?  



Dude.  Amazing.  You might want to crack open a history book or two.

The current administration's war policy is an excuse to forbid the USMC from recruiting in Berkeley, and an excuse from preventing Berkeley residents from being able to easily find out information about military service?

Is "liberal" supposed to be the new label for people arbitrarily excluded from military service?  As far as that goes, it might even be illegal on an anti-discrimination basis to close that recruiting office simply because some activists don't want recruiting to go on there.  Isn't that discriminating against the (probable minority of) people in Berkeley who are in fact interested in military service?

are you implying  Berkeley tax dollars don't pay for the USMC  ?

Are you recruiting people that have never heard of the internet?  you make it sound like that recruiting office is the only place they can get information.
phones,  internet,  even other recruiting stations.

i don't believe that it is any more discriminating then any city choosing what types of businesses they allow.

[Trell]

Originally posted by eagl
The federal government is authorized by the constitution to raise an army.  That pretty much covers recruiting.

Any more silly questions?

Yes by banning that recruiting station are you saying the boys joining are to stupid to join with out that single station?

Guess all those ads i see on tv telling me to call 800 go army  must be for something else..

[Trell]

Originally posted by eagl
The official USMC position is a pretty good assessment of the true situation...

  that local station is still bound by local laws,  They still must meet zoning requirements,  local fire codes and any other local requirements for them to be there,  

If towns can have laws banning walmarts, bars, and strip clubs,  Why not recruiting stations?

[eagl]

Originally posted by Trell
Yes by banning that recruiting station are you saying the boys joining are to stupid to join with out that single station?

You're intentionally missing the point, which is not particularly suprising.

Your position is that local politicians have the authority to override the constitutionally mandated authority and responsibility of the federal government to raise and maintain an army.

There isn't anything else behind your argument.  Nothing.  No substance, no basis in fact or law.  You are siding with protesters calling the USMC "intruders" and Marines "predators" over a local government's right to override an explicit authority and responsibility in the constitution.

Hence, the thread title statement that Berkeley is attempting to secede.  Because their argument is based entirely on their assumed right to circumvent and override the constitution.

You're really beating yourself up over this...  You might consider a cream soda and hot bath.