Author Topic: Nato .308 (Read 1358 times)

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 14, 2008, 12:01:43 PM »

isnt the Mini 14/30 know for its LACK of accuracy? didnt Ruger just come out with a new Wizbang target one thats like double the price thats supposed to be able to hit a barn door at 50 feet?

No rifle that shoots 7.62X39 (mini30) could even chamber a 7.62Nato round.

At least if you do not live in fantasy land.

acfireguy26 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 14, 2008, 01:21:30 PM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
The older Mini 30s are .308. My mini 30 is .308 cal. The newer models bore is .311, however it can still shoot .308 cal. My older model Mini 30 can not fire the Wolf stuff. The newer models can fire the NATO .308 and the .311 rounds, which is what most of the cheaper Russian and Chinese 7.62 X 39 ammo is loaded with. This is one of the major reasons for the not so hot accuracy of the Mini 30.

I bought a mini 30 about a year ago. I took it to the range, and fired it. After about 50 rnds through it I packed it up brought it home cleaned it and put it on gunbroker for some poor sap like me to buy. That was the worst pos firearm I have ever had the displeasure of firing in my life. Oh btw 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 do not interchange in anyway shape form or fashion.

lazs2 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 14, 2008, 02:22:03 PM »

acefire.. you probly shot lousy ammo but.. I bet that ruger shot every single one of em without even thinking of jamming. I have seen $2000 semi autos that were not even close to as reliable as the ruger.

they are not tack drivers. they can be.. the target version they came out with will shoot 1" groups.. real 1" groups.. you can even put a damper on a mini 14 and cut the group size in half. even a couple of battery clamps (ugly as hell) clamped on to the barrel of a mini 14 will cut the groups.

pyro thanks.. that is correct.. the 7.62 x 39 that the mini 30 shoots is nothing like a nato round.. in fact.. it is on the opposite team.

lazs

FX1 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 14, 2008, 02:49:40 PM »

Laz I purchased a mini 14 from a gun show back in 90's. First couple clips it broke a extractor and part of the bolt. Fixed that problem took it back out and after it heated up a round got jammed in the chamber. I had to take a rubber hammer to extract the live round. Sold it to a gunsmith the next week.

My buddy was given a mini 14 by his father that was a late 70's production. It ran good for about 1/2 year then the same problems came up for him.

I thought it could be the ammo but both of us were using different ammo when the problem accorded.

I just cant see the mini 14/30 being a better gun than my sks. To this day my sks has run smooth and i am willing to bet that its just as accurate.

Nefarious · « **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2008, 03:05:09 PM »

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Originally posted by FX1
I just cant see the mini 14/30 being a better gun than my sks. To this day my sks has run smooth and i am willing to bet that its just as accurate.

I love all three of mine too. I've hear them being called the poor man's M1. I'm not sure why, as I've never shot a Garand, only thing I could guess would be the Wood? Or the ease of use maybe.

FX1 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 14, 2008, 04:40:31 PM »

I got a ram line stock for my sks and it was a world of difference... Last year i tried out a AK muzzle brake and for $10 it did make a major improvement.

Rich46yo · « **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2008, 05:17:18 PM »

Ruger minis arent exactly known for great accuracy but they are handy little things and fill the bill for home protection and ranch rambling. They are fairly small so you can throw them in the back of a pickup. Ive had a few thru the years but I sold them.

Were I to buy another theres no doubt I would buy it chambered in 7.62x39 which is a very good self defense load. AND ammo is cheap to boot. It can also double as a light deer rifle I guess tho it wouldnt be a prime choice. Armalite makes the AR-10 but its pricey. They make long distance shooters chambered in all kinds of HP loads. Loads like .338 Fed and Lapua, .300 WM, and even 50 BMG.

But all around use? Nothing tops 7.62 NATO in my book. But your not going to go this route cheaply no matter how you cut it. Unless you get lucky and find one used. If you just want a cheap plinker then pickup a SKS, AK, or maybe look for a M1 Garand in good condition.

Nefarious · « **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2008, 07:02:31 PM »

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Originally posted by FX1
I got a ram line stock for my sks and it was a world of difference... Last year i tried out a AK muzzle brake and for $10 it did make a major improvement.

How did you put an AK Muzzle Brake on your SKS? Do you have a Yugo? I can't imagine putting a brake on any other SKS besides a Yugo without major modification to the barrel.

FX1 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 14, 2008, 10:35:45 PM »

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SKS505-46213-2659.html

I have a Russian sks from the late 80's. A monkey could put it on in ten seconds.

superpug1 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 15, 2008, 03:40:49 AM »

Get a FAL or FAL variant. L1a1 is a good one. if you get a rifle built from a kit watch out for ones built with century arms recievers. you either get a great one or a crappy one. Mine was built by my uncle off a century arms reciever, took about 3 hours of dremel tooling it down and polishing the feeding guide to get it to shoot and feed right. atm it shoots alil high for my taste, but the groupings are tight.

SIG220 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 15, 2008, 04:51:13 AM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
The older Mini 30s are .308. My mini 30 is .308 cal. The newer models bore is .311, however it can still shoot .308 cal. My older model Mini 30 can not fire the Wolf stuff. The newer models can fire the NATO .308 and the .311 rounds, which is what most of the cheaper Russian and Chinese 7.62 X 39 ammo is loaded with. This is one of the major reasons for the not so hot accuracy of the Mini 30.

You are mixing Apples and Oranges here. The Ruger Mini 30 fires the Russian Short: 7.62x39mm. The Ruger Mini Rifles have never been chambered for .308 Winchester, also called 7.62x51mm NATO

I used to own a Mini 30, but it was such a pile of absolute junk that I sold it after a year. Most inaccurate rifle I have ever owned in my life.

SIG 220

SIG220 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 15, 2008, 05:06:30 AM »

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Originally posted by acfireguy26
I bought a mini 30 about a year ago. I took it to the range, and fired it. After about 50 rnds through it I packed it up brought it home cleaned it and put it on gunbroker for some poor sap like me to buy. That was the worst pos firearm I have ever had the displeasure of firing in my life. Oh btw 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 do not interchange in anyway shape form or fashion.

This comparison photo shows how radically different the two rounds are:

SIG220 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 15, 2008, 05:32:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Nefarious
I love all three of mine too. I've hear them being called the poor man's M1. I'm not sure why, as I've never shot a Garand, only thing I could guess would be the Wood? Or the ease of use maybe.

The gun you want to get is the Saiga .308. It is made at the Russian IZHEVSK ARMS factory where the AK-47 was originally created. This is a super reliable quality firearm. It is basically an AK-47 design that has been beefed up to handle the 7.62 NATO round.

The famous AK-47 action does a great job of taking of absorbing the recoil of the .308 too. They have cheaper plastic stocked models, but there are now models out with nice wood stocks, and they still cost less than $500.

Note the larger receiver and magazine size for the .308:

Here is a link to the online store of the Saiga dealer that I got mine from:

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/SellerAuctions.asp?User=350400

He has been selling the 16" barrel carbine version with plastic stock for only $435, if you want something more compact.

20 round mags are now available for the rifle from two different makers. You can find full details on the Saiga gun online users forums located here:

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?act=idx

Here is a photo of the carbine model:

Note that you can easily attach a scope using the standard AK-47 scope side mount.

You will be far, far happier with one of these, compared to a Mini-30

SIG 220

Excel1 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 15, 2008, 05:44:45 AM »

although it's only of historical interest there was the ruger xgi.

it was a scaled-up mini chambered in .308 winchester and .243, but it never went in to production. i remember the xgi ads in gun magazines back in the 80's. it was a shame the xgi didn't work out for ruger. it could have been the poor mans alternative to the m1a.

and speaking of the m1a it would be my choice in .308 semi

SIG220 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 15, 2008, 07:51:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Excel1
although it's only of historical interest there was the ruger xgi.

it was a scaled-up mini chambered in .308 winchester and .243, but it never went in to production. i remember the xgi ads in gun magazines back in the 80's. it was a shame the xgi didn't work out for ruger. it could have been the poor mans alternative to the m1a.

and speaking of the m1a it would be my choice in .308 semi

Well, but Nefarious said that his budget would not even allow for a $1,000 AR-15. M1a's cost much more than the typical AR-15. The cheapest base model of M1a with plastic stock is now selling for $1,300 street price.

The M14 was the Army's main battle rifle for only 5 years, from 1959 to 1964, when the M16 replaced it. While it still sees limited use today, as our main battle rifle, it had the shortest service record in our history.

The Saiga .308 would meet the needs of Nefarious to have an effective and utterly reliable battle rifle in .308 Winchester, and it would cost less than $500 And just how successful has the AK-47 design been??

The recoil is so light that even a woman can easily shoot it. Here is a lady with the rifle version with the plain plastic stocks, and a 20 round magazine loaded in it: