P-47M, a perked jug.

[Wingnutt]

1: easy to add,,  used the D30 airframe

2: R-2800 C producing 2800HP with H2O

3: 473MPH top speed


4: went operational with the 56th FG in april 1945, by the end of the war the entire 56th was equipped with Ms

5: scored kills during the war, most notably against several 262s



it saw action, and enitre FG used them during the war, it got kills during the war


would be a piece of cake to add the M variant to the line up, no new model needed.. just the necessary changes to the FM, and a skin.

it would need to be perked of course, carry about the same prices at the Spit14 or there abouts I would think

PLEEEEESE!!

[1Boner]

whats the difference between an "n" and a "m" model?

[Wingnutt]

Originally posted by 1Boner
whats the difference between an "n" and a "m" model?

I dont have the stats and writeups for both in front of me at the moment..

but IF I recall correctly, the main purpose of the N was not sheer performance, bu t range for the Pacific theater bomber escort where missions were typically of greater distance (ironically the first Ns saw service in the Eu theater not the pacific as intened)

the N used the same  powerplant as the M, but was tuned and propped more for endurance than performance.  In the M the engine was  "turned loose" with an emphasis on sheer performance, not range.  also the M used a different prop, the Curtis -B40 (cant recall off hand what prop the N used)


the M was the fastest thunderbolt ever produced that saw combat.

[bozon]

The M was a cheap hot rod version of the bubble top late D jugs. This was a compromise of the more radical changes tested on the XP47J. The main difference from regular D jugs is a higher boosted engine (slightly different model). Since the 56th already had their Jugs over boosted, this was not a radical improvement.

The N was a cross bread of a P47 and an ocean oil tanker. It uses the same engine as the M, so you can imagine how the M would handle - much like the N, only lighter. The M would be a 5 minutes WEP monster and just another D jug without it.

[Krusty]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-47_Thunderbolt#P-47M

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic7.html

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_12.html

Gee, seems they got there too late to do much of anything. A few kills in the closing days, only 130 ordered (out of 15000+ total production -- FYI that's 0.8% -- not even 1%!)

[Wingnutt]

Originally posted by Krusty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-47_Thunderbolt#P-47M

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic7.html

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_12.html

Gee, seems they got there too late to do much of anything. A few kills in the closing days, only 130 ordered (out of 15000+ total production -- FYI that's 0.8% -- not even 1%!)

the 262 "got there too late to much of anything" aswell

the 47M:

saw active service during the war

attained kills during the war

an entire FG was outfitted with them


meets required criteria IMO

[Krusty]

I wouldn't compare it with the 262, which was equipping units in early-to-mid 1944 and as many served as 190Ds.

I agree it meets the criteria, but still, like the He-162 or the Meteor Mk.III, it's really stretching to think it had much of an impact on the war.

[Wingnutt]

Originally posted by Krusty
I wouldn't compare it with the 262, which was equipping units in early-to-mid 1944 and as many served as 190Ds.

I agree it meets the criteria, but still, like the He-162 or the Meteor Mk.III, it's really stretching to think it had much of an impact on the war.

I never said it really had an impact on the war..

again the 262 had no real impact on the war either..

[Karnak]

There are far, far, far more important aircraft that need to be added then the P-47M.  The US stable is hardly lacking.

I'd put the P-47M in the same category as the Re.2005 or Spitfire F.21.


And for what it is worth, the Me262 saw a great deal more combat than the P-47M.  Saying it didn't change anything is silly.  Since the Axis lost we could easily claim the Bf109 or A6M didn't change anything.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Wingnutt
the 262 "got there too late to much of anything" aswell

the 47M:

saw active service during the war

attained kills during the war

an entire FG was outfitted with them


meets required criteria IMO

Off the top of my head, I can think of 2 Geschwaders that were equipped with the Schwalbe, JV44 and JG7. Also, it was a very radical design that encorperated a lot of advancements and new technologies (the jet engine and the swept wing, among others). Quite a few kills were scored in the Schwalbe (I beleive the highest scoring 262 ace had 19 kills in it?). Despite the fact that it was a radical design being produced by totaled industry, 1200 262's were manufactured, almost 10 times that of the P47M.


The 262 and the P47M are in two totally different leagues.

[Wingnutt]

Originally posted by Motherland
Off the top of my head, I can think of 2 Geschwaders that were equipped with the Schwalbe, JV44 and JG7. Also, it was a very radical design that encorperated a lot of advancements and new technologies (the jet engine and the swept wing, among others). Quite a few kills were scored in the Schwalbe (I beleive the highest scoring 262 ace had 19 kills in it?). Despite the fact that it was a radical design being produced by totaled industry, 1200 262's were manufactured, almost 10 times that of the P47M.


The 262 and the P47M are in two totally different leagues.

kind of a moot point..

the plane meets the required critera to be in the game...

the "best" p47 we have now, the N, is the worst.



we need an "uber jug"

you say the 262 was a radical design, which is true.. which gives it merit.. and thus (apparently) helps it "belong" here..

well the 47M was the fastest jug in the war, which puts among some of the fastest propeller driven planes in the war.. probably very near the top..

it was in many ways the culmination of the development of one of the most versatile and effective fighters of the war.

[Spikes]

A bit off topic, but wasn't the N able to take off of a Carrier? I know it was only specially fitted and never saw combat off a CV...but still.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Wingnutt

we need an "uber jug"

Why?

BTW, I just realised, 300 Me 163's were produced IIRC... less P47M's were produced than Me 163s.

[Krusty]

P.S. IMO the -N is the uber jug. We've got it.

[Wingnutt]

Originally posted by Krusty
P.S. IMO the -N is the uber jug. We've got it.

the N is inferior to the D40 in every single way except for top speed under WEP..

slower max speed under mil power, slower climb even under wep till 17K, poorer turning radius under flaps..


aside from a single aspect (top speed when using WEP) its worse off than the other jugs..

well unless you go over 30.. even rooks dont go that high... and even then the advantages of the N are minor.

not only is it not the best, its the most limited, and ill suited for MA combat of all the Jugs.