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« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2008, 08:45:20 AM »
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I find it difficult to believe France would hire Boeing to do something Airbus could do, under ANY circumstances :(


I find it difficult to understand how ignorant some can be.

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« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2008, 10:05:33 PM »
Damn, looks like outsourcing is starting to creep.

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« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2008, 11:31:02 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2008, 11:58:41 PM »
Well, we all know what happened to the Romans when they relied on foreigners for their military.


back then swords.. today.. who builds the toys.


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« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2008, 03:12:22 AM »
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« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2008, 04:08:36 AM »
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« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2008, 04:22:12 AM »
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NOT TO MENTION ITS FRENCH!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

:huh srsly wtf?? whats wrong with the AF now??


Nooo.. it is Messerschmitt!

"Messerschmitt AG, later Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB) was a famous German aircraft manufacturer, known primarily for its World War II fighter aircraft, notably the Bf 109 and Me 262. The company survived in the post-war era, undergoing a number of mergers and changing its name from Messerschmitt before being bought by DASA in 1989, now part of EADS. "

Also Heinkel and Focke Wulff are merged to same company.

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« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2008, 08:33:58 AM »
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I find it difficult to understand how ignorant some can be.
Fascinating--had no idea Airbus made early warning/awacs A/C:aok
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« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2008, 09:26:39 AM »
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« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2008, 09:27:31 AM »
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« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2008, 03:13:46 PM »
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Fascinating--had no idea Airbus made early warning/awacs A/C:aok


Airbus makes airframes, so does Boeing. It was Northrop Grumman (Westinghouse) who built the E3's radar systems and radar assembly, not Boeing. Out of 18 different types of AEW&C aircraft in the world only two are based on Boeing airframes. ;)

The aging E3 with its big rotating pulse Doppler radar is getting increasingly obsolete. The future of AEW&C is smaller planes with electronically scanned phased array radars that are as powerful or more than the E3 but with much greater multitasking capabilities and flexibility, all in a much more compact and affordable package.

Like this Swedish Ericsson Erieye system for instance (Brazilian air force):



Ericsson says that the Erieye costs between one eight and one tenth of an E-3 Sentry to operate and has quoted a cost of $500 per flight hour for the Erieye, compared to $2,700 for an E-2C Hawkeye and $8,300 for an E-3 Sentry.

The price of Brazil's Erieye systems was little more than $200 million per aircraft, or approximately the price of two fighter aircraft.
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« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2008, 03:45:05 PM »
As far as I know frenchies are also more than capable to build radar systems; Thomson/Thales are well known radar system manufacturers and airbus manufacturer EADS happens to own MBDS which includes Matra and Alenia Marconi missile & radar manufacturers.

Perhaps USAF will have its Sentry's replaced by Airbuses too :D

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« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2008, 03:53:19 PM »
Lol, I doubt it, but who knows. ;)
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« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2008, 03:53:42 PM »
The Erieye is not as capable as the E3 by a long shot, but if you take the price of it and the plane it gets mounted on (basicly a free choise) it gives outstanding value. I dont know what id prefer but 8-10 of those would atleast add some flexibility that one E3 could not. I guess it would depend on your need.

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« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2008, 03:53:55 PM »
What I would like to see is a KC-80, Airbus A380 airframe.
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