Odee

[justguess]

Originally posted by republic
I have film of N7 shooting down Tyrant and 87Stuka in goons...  If I must, I'll post it.



 


Believe it or not but....we really aren't that concerned with the allies.  Someone will vox about a particularly lame maneuver which is sometimes followed by a 200 text, but...other than that we're just having a good time.  I was amazed when one of our guys swapped over how much anti-axis smack was going on in the country channel.  Just seems odd to me to be that concerned with the other side...


It's a game fellers, have fun!  

 ~ ~I sing because I'm happy ~ ~ and it makes the rest of the squad howl like coyotes.  I thought that was odd also, when I heard that the allieds were typing derogatory stuff about JG54 and me personally on their country channel.

as republic posted we don't concern ourselves at all with what the other side is doing.  after all you guys are only so much grist for the mill and nothing else really!

if any of you allied guys are interested in joining JG54 during our next DA training session PM me or any JG54 member and you are welcome to join.

the other players will help you with the pile-it stuff.  I will teach you to sing, dance and be a tasteful dresser.

[Tango]

Originally posted by Larry
We have already discussed the F4F-4. I said it shouldnt be in the first round because it is a mid '42 plane while every other fighter is 1940 era. He and other people were saying it should because its a sub for the F4F-3 which entered service in late 1940. The only reason I said it sohuldnt be in the round is because of the two extra .50cals.

Seems funny that the complaint has gone from how hard it is to kill to just the 2 extra guns.

[Odee]

Originally posted by Larry
 Please tell me what info is wrong, and please dont try to proove it with wiki as your only source.

 

Nothing wrong with Wiki, you goober!

Hurricane Mark II through to Mark V

June 11th 1940 a Hurricane Mark I was fitted with a two stage supercharged Rolls Royce Merlin XX engine that at sea level was rated at 1,300hp rising to 1,460hp at 6,250 feet. After numerous tests the aircraft was given the designation of Mark II, the improved power plant being the only difference from the Mark I. This first model of the MkII was known as the Series I. Further modifications took place as designers tried to make improvements to the Hurricane. The next model was given the title of Mark II Series 2. The fuselage was given added strengthening which was needed to accommodate the redesigned wings that incorporated attachment points for external stores. A bay was also introduced into the fuselage that also increased the length by a additional 7 inches (7.7mm).

In November 1940, the Mark II Series 2 was given additional firepower by the inclusion of 12 .303 machine guns mounted in the wings. This version was known as the Hurricane IIB. The Hurricane IIC followed by having four 20mm Hispano cannons also mounted in the wings.
Many of these versions flew during the Battle of Britain with a number of Mark II's being fitted with drop-tanks, some being fitted with light to medium bombs while other had increased stores such as additional room for bullets for the machine guns.

After the Battle of Britain, the Hurricane was further developed, mostly up to and including 1942 even though it was relieved as a front line attack aircraft in the air to air war, and was used mainly as a ground attack aircraft. The Mark IIC served until June 1942 when the Hurricane IID appeared which was basically a IIC but with two 40mm cannons and two .303 machine guns.

The Hurricane II gave way to the Hurricane III with a Packard Merlin power plant, then came the Hurricane IV, the first prototype flying on 14th March 1943 which had been previously known as the Hurricane IIE, but after the designation change was fitted with reinforced under wing attachments to carry bombs and rockets and was given the new Merlin 24 engines that put out 1,620hp. A further alteration saw the Mk V which was a Mk IV but given even more power by the fitting of the 1,700hp Merlin 32 engines and having four bladed propellors.

source material: Battle of Brittain Historical Society

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by Tango
Seems funny that the complaint has gone from how hard it is to kill to just the 2 extra guns.

If that was the only problem, heck, should have gotten the FM2 instead.....

[Odee]

And now a few words on the Hurri IIC from Aviation Histroy

During the "Battle of Britain", along with the Spitfire , it helped to force the Luftwaffe to use the Bf 109 to protect the poor performing twin engine Bf 110 escort fighter
 

and now the lamented Wikipedia on the Hurricane mK#

Hurricane IIC (Hurricane IIA Series 2)
Hurricane IIA Series 1 equipped with new and slightly longer propeller spinner and new wing mounting four 20-mm Hispano cannons. Hurricane IIA Series 2 became the Mark IIC in June 1941, using a slightly modified wing. The new wings also included a hardpoint for a 500 lb or 250 lb bomb, and later in 1941, fuel tanks. By then performance was inferior to the latest German fighters, and the Hurricane changed to the ground-attack role, sometimes referred to as the Hurribomber. The mark also served as a night fighter and "intruder."

[Krusty]

Battle of Britain was over at the end of 1940. No IIcs saw service in BOB. Some IIAs might have, if I recall.

Anybody that wants a IIC in an early war setup should look at the EWA stats that Lusche posted. About 80% of all kills in the EWA are hurr2c kills.

It's quite over-modeled. The only weakness it has ever had in this game was a small ammo clip. I've seen them dive from 20k without problems. They zoom like they have no drag (and don't take that as fact, please, it's just a complaint).

The hurr2c is so overmodeled that it completely dominates the 109E, as was evident in Fire Over Malta, where on landing 90% of 109F pilots dinged their props (lag), so they had to reup (almost the entire side) in 109Es against Hurr2cs. We were unable to get anything done.

For balance purposes, hurr2C should never be included in "early" war setups. Midwar, sure. Mid-to-early, sure.

Unless the mission is expressly bomber interception, then they would have a place (that was the main reason for 4x20mm).


Edit: P.S. The allies have more planes after BOB. Axis don't have anything til the F-4 and 190A-5 show up, 1.5 to 2 years later. So you add in a Hurr2c, where's the 109E-7N? Where's the 90 rpg ammo clips on the MG/FFm? Where's the later marks of bombers? Our Ju88 is early 1941, while our Ki67 is late '44 (I think). Not much in between. You have to be careful using "just" service dates -- because sometimes there's no equivelant on the other team.

[Larry]

Originally posted by Tango
Seems funny that the complaint has gone from how hard it is to kill to just the 2 extra guns.

Tango go get some glasses then read the other thread. Have someone else read if you you cant comprehend.

Originally posted by Odee
Nothing wrong with Wiki, you goober!

Yea whatever you say.

Originally posted by EagleEyes
If that was the only problem, heck, should have gotten the FM2 instead.....

Yep lets just sub it with a late '44 plane thats 30mph faster and turns alot better.




As for the hurriIIC, its way over modeled and has no place in any AvA setups. Plus people would use it as a fighter instead of how it was used in the war.

[Odee]

Originally posted by Larry
...Yep lets just sub it with a late '44 plane thats 30mph faster and turns alot better.
As for the hurriIIC, its way over modeled and has no place in any AvA setups. Plus people would use it as a fighter instead of how it was used in the war.

As opposed to the under modeled 110's right?  How about the 190's while you're at it?

TK, with his 80 hours in the AvA.  Vulching, and Picking his way to the top of the heap.

<> and out.

[XAKL]

Originally posted by ACB

Originally posted by Larry
I hate to tell you but we keep most of our trash talk on squad channel....
 I mean if most of your trash talking is in squad Chnl it must be jammed totally jammed....Like you act out the part of the Allied pilot to be trashed while your squadys yell obscenities at you?  Thats crazyness.   [/B]

Hence the name "TATERNUTZI" was annointed or should I say Annoyingted!!!

Mugadai of the Only MUNGADAI WARRIOR,
Mugadie, Mugarun, Mugadork, Muga this Muga that, and not to mention Pigmie(should be Pygmy) Warrior, written by the Illiterate Storch (and he was telling ACB to take spelling lessons??? )

[B@tfinkV]

the only allied plane that stands a chance vs a good 109 stick is the spitfire in most of these setups.

lucky for us, truekill and the large mouth low skill types are only still learning.

[Larry]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
the only allied plane that stands a chance vs a good 109 stick is the spitfire in most of these setups.

lucky for us, truekill and the large mouth low skill types are only still learning.

Like you and your noob spitdweebs?

[Larry]

Originally posted by Odee
As opposed to the under modeled 110's right?  How about the 190's while you're at it?

TK, with his 80 hours in the AvA.  Vulching, and Picking his way to the top of the heap.

<> and out.

Are you whining about the plane or me? Unlike you I can kill without my buddies help. I have that many hours in there because I dont fly MA that much. Me110 under mideled naw it looks pretty good to me.

[Larry]

Originally posted by XAKL
Mugadai of the Only MUNGADAI WARRIOR,
Mugadie, Mugarun, Mugadork, Muga this Muga that, and not to mention Pigmie(should be Pygmy) Warrior, written by the Illiterate Storch (and he was telling ACB to take spelling lessons??? )

Hey tardlet, um storch knew he was spelling pygmy wrong. Hell we were laughing about you trying to spell check him when you're useing "u" for you, and other kiddie typing.


BTW you still wanna do that "duel" you in a spit and me in a 190? Just dont whine when I dont turn with you.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Larry
Like you and your noob spitdweebs?

do you really want me and my spit dweebs to come fly in AvA? we might have to if the smack talk doesnt start being backed up with some decent flying. i dont think you would like it much.

[Larry]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
do you really want me and my spit dweebs to come fly in AvA? we might have to if the smack talk doesnt start being backed up with some decent flying. i dont think you would like it much.

Yea we need more targets.