Author Topic: Odee (Read 5378 times)

justguess · « **Reply #45 on:** March 01, 2008, 07:22:39 PM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
do you really want me and my spit dweebs to come fly in AvA? we might have to if the smack talk doesnt start being backed up with some decent flying. i dont think you would like it much.

please do come batty. you guys are always fun and the fights will be better for all involved. I can tell you that I would rather die 10 times per hour in a good fight than get 10 kills while dodging ack with the huggers. not that I'm going to be dying to you, you understand.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #46 on:** March 01, 2008, 07:34:34 PM »

of course not, that would be just unthinkable.

Tango · « **Reply #47 on:** March 01, 2008, 10:53:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Larry
Tango go get some glasses then read the other thread. Have someone else read if you you cant comprehend.

The other thread you complained about it being hard to kill, not an early war plane, and being UBER compared to the 109E, 110c4, AND the Zero. Of course you have no problem having a mix of planes that never served together [Zero with German AC]

However you and your guys don't have a problem wanting the other side to get low and slow in turn fights with your 109s and 110s and have the Zero pilots come in and pick us off. Of course when we don't do that and use BnZ attacks with the P-40 you guys cry and whine.

I don't have much for players that go around thumping thier chests saying "Look at me, look how good I am". That shows lack of sportsmanship.

EagleEyes · « **Reply #48 on:** March 01, 2008, 11:06:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Larry

Yep lets just sub it with a late '44 plane thats 30mph faster and turns alot better.

As for the hurriIIC, its way over modeled and has no place in any AvA setups. Plus people would use it as a fighter instead of how it was used in the war.

Ok, but the 110 is way over modeled. 110s were being destroyed as easily as a transport would have been. After about a month into the BoB, the Germans had to start giving the 110s escorts!! And just before it ended, they pulled the 110s from frontline, daytime service. The 110 became a strictly night fighter used against bombers....Like the Hurricane MkIIC. So if the Hurricane IIC doesnt belong in the AvA, should the 110C?? Yes i know the 110C was used DURING the Battle of Britain, but its way too over modeled to be used!!! No way in real life a 110 could turn with a Hurricane low and slow.....

XAKL · « **Reply #49 on:** March 02, 2008, 12:00:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Larry
BTW you still wanna do that "duel" you in a spit and me in a 190? Just dont whine when I dont turn with you.

If dueling against U will make UR pathetic life happy, go grab UR 190, I'll grab my Spit. I'll be more than happy to kill U. Make sure U go back and re-read the parameter, there is a time limit. I'm not going to waste a minute of my time chasing UR FW when I can do that in AvA. Just remember and check UR memory bank, I never whine, it's U and Storch who whines whenever I kill you.

MUGADAI of the only MUNGADAI WARRIORS

Motherland · « **Reply #50 on:** March 02, 2008, 12:12:34 AM »

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Originally posted by EagleEyes
No way in real life a 110 could turn with a Hurricane low and slow.....

Can't in Aces High either.
Not to mention, instead of having the most accurate, powerful cannons in the game, it has the weakest, least accurate cannons.

EagleEyes · « **Reply #51 on:** March 02, 2008, 12:24:48 AM »

oh yes it can!! Happened many times last frame. You guys were flying those 110s like they were zeros!!

Larry · « **Reply #52 on:** March 02, 2008, 12:36:08 AM »

You got out flown not out turned.

EagleEyes · « **Reply #53 on:** March 02, 2008, 12:41:29 AM »

then please explain what you did to turn with a hurri or spit?

Larry · « **Reply #54 on:** March 02, 2008, 12:54:09 AM »

When most people turn they do so in a flat circle. So I pull up and then dive back down and cut the corner. Its called something but I cant remember it right now.

Tbarone · « **Reply #55 on:** March 02, 2008, 01:37:58 AM »

The spits and hurries do the same thing, as soon as there is a turn fight they go into a flat turn. All we have to do is go up and over and they are in our guns, alot of fun, just keep doing the same.

EagleEyes · « **Reply #56 on:** March 02, 2008, 01:50:58 AM »

Thank you TK and TBarone, now i know what to tell my guys. Didnt realize thats what you guys did....

Arlo · « **Reply #57 on:** March 02, 2008, 04:44:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Larry
When most people turn they do so in a flat circle. So I pull up and then dive back down and cut the corner. Its called something but I cant remember it right now.

"Nose high turn" (alternating with a "nose low turn).

And ... as an alternative ....

"High Yo-Yo"

(And counters)

http://myweb.cableone.net/rentrus/ACM.htm#turn

Larry · « **Reply #58 on:** March 02, 2008, 04:49:09 AM »

yo-yo thats it

Thats a nice site ganna have to look at it some more.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #59 on:** March 02, 2008, 05:24:06 AM »

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Originally posted by EagleEyes
then please explain what you did to turn with a hurri or spit?

The problem is the term "turn fighting" and that leads to a lot of confusion and whines on Channel 200. Quite a few take its literal meaning and think it's nothing but two planes in a Luftberry trying to kill each other and that's what gets them killed because they are quite literally thinking in 2D when they should think in 3D.

Because they perceive the fight in 2D, they don't realize that a plane that is the less capable turn fighter in the fight, can use other means to gain an angle to cut inside of the better turning plane. Planes like the FW190 series and P-38s are good at this. FW190's have a great roll rate and as such can use it to cut inside of the enemy's turn for an angle and shot. The P-38 can use vertical maneuvers like High and Low Yo-Yo's and at higher speeds its roll rate to do the same.

So that's how Larry shot you down. He didn't didn't turn with you, he was able to maneuver his plane in such a way that allowed him to cut inside of your turn for an angle and the kill.

Instead of thinking "Turn Fighting", think "Angles Fighting" instead.

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