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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #106 on: March 13, 2008, 09:20:22 AM »
Hate to tell ya....your only half right.

Correct...Sherman's March to The Sea (as well as the ensuing hook North to the Carolinas) is an excellent example of Total War.  Bringing overwhelming numbers to bear, and releasing restrictions on soldiers forraging for food from civilian homes & also burning civilian homes.

Issuing repeating rifles to the Union Army was also an example of Total War.  The prior technology only allowed a rifle reloading at a rate of 20 to 30 seconds (depending on the soldier)...a repeating rifle that could allow a soldier to fire once every 2 to 3 seconds (depending on the soldier) was considered inhumane by some due to the utter carnage that a small contingient of soldiers equiped with them could do.

Especially when they were used against an enemy that only had the old technology.

Had the Gatalin Gun been produced in greater numbers, it too would have been an example...but too few were made.


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By that logic, the use of anything remotely better is total war.


The US waged Total War on Germany with Garands.   :rofl
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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #107 on: March 13, 2008, 10:14:10 AM »
By that logic, the use of anything remotely better is total war.


The US waged Total War on Germany with Garands.   :rofl

When going up against mg42's and 88mm anti-tank fire?

In reference to Total War, it's something that created a HUGE difference in the outcome of a war.  While Gen. George S. Patton called the M1 Garand the "best infantry weapon of the war" it certainly didn't have the impact of say, Sherman's March/Repeating Rifles in the Civil War, or the Atom Bombs in WWII.

Someday, folks will actually read & study history.



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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #109 on: March 13, 2008, 01:34:43 PM »
If you do not know why those got edited, then you will not be around much longer.  It is your choice to violate the posting rules.  It is not my job to educate you in what they mean.
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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #110 on: March 13, 2008, 02:05:42 PM »
Then what is the job of a "Community Manager"? If you don't mind me asking.
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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #111 on: March 13, 2008, 02:38:31 PM »
Seems irrelevant.  If you wish to pursue this, then you can PM me, rather than hijack this thread.
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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #112 on: March 13, 2008, 02:47:08 PM »
Issuing repeating rifles to the Union Army was also an example of Total War.  The prior technology only allowed a rifle reloading at a rate of 20 to 30 seconds (depending on the soldier)...a repeating rifle that could allow a soldier to fire once every 2 to 3 seconds (depending on the soldier) was considered inhumane by some due to the utter carnage that a small contingient of soldiers equiped with them could do.

Repeating rifles may have had some folks crying about being inhumane, but that's not why the military was slow to adopt them.  The old technology was cheaper, soldiers went thru less ammo when they could only fire 2-3 shots per minute.  Total War is a tactic and can be employed regardless of the arms that the soldiers use.

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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2008, 03:15:55 PM »
Hate to tell ya....your only half right.

Correct...Sherman's March to The Sea (as well as the ensuing hook North to the Carolinas) is an excellent example of Total War.  Bringing overwhelming numbers to bear, and releasing restrictions on soldiers forraging for food from civilian homes & also burning civilian homes.

Issuing repeating rifles to the Union Army was also an example of Total War.  The prior technology only allowed a rifle reloading at a rate of 20 to 30 seconds (depending on the soldier)...a repeating rifle that could allow a soldier to fire once every 2 to 3 seconds (depending on the soldier) was considered inhumane by some due to the utter carnage that a small contingient of soldiers equiped with them could do.

Especially when they were used against an enemy that only had the old technology.

Had the Gatalin Gun been produced in greater numbers, it too would have been an example...but too few were made.


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Using the Henry rifle as an anology of "Total Warfare" is inane as all get-out. It's merely a technological advance. Which happens' all the time. If you wished to pull up an example of Total warfare from the period of the Civil War, It would have to be something like the Union Blockade of Southern ports. That prohibited the South from receiving much of the needed arms' and supplies' that it could not manufacture for itself (Most of the Industry in the U.S. was located in the Northern states, at that time) and as a result, It crippled the South's ability to wage war.

To put it more simply, Total war is waged by attacking everything the enemy has, his ability to keep his population going, his factories' that make his war materials, his methods' of moving them around...Not just his troops' in the field, or his known military bases. Everything.

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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #114 on: March 14, 2008, 10:08:22 AM »
So SIG220, are you man enough to admit you were wrong?
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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #115 on: March 15, 2008, 10:55:24 AM »
I guess not.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #116 on: March 15, 2008, 09:29:15 PM »
Then what is the job of a "Community Manager"? If you don't mind me asking.
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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #117 on: March 15, 2008, 09:46:46 PM »
No.
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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #118 on: March 16, 2008, 06:10:11 AM »
So SIG220, are you man enough to admit you were wrong?

Why, when I have already proven beyond any doubt whatsoever that your original statement was wrong, bogus, incorrect, inaccurate, erroneous, false, untrue, unsubstantiated, undocumented, counterfactual, not right, in error, and also misguided??

You need to look back at what you originally said.


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Re: Americans Launch Attack
« Reply #119 on: March 16, 2008, 08:43:01 AM »
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It appears that history is being re-written:


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0310-08.htm


Yesterday was the 63rd Anniversary of the Firebombing of Tokyo.

I guess nobody bothers to remember this little island chain called Hawaii, with this little place called Pearl harbor.


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