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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #330 on: March 28, 2008, 02:32:43 AM »
Twenty-two pages of the same noise being used to reaffirm the same dozen poster's hopes and quench their fears that the Republican status quo isn't in danger of being interrupted. And it's centered on the frontrunner Democrat (black) candidate being a racist? The extremes some here are willing to go to to cling to that belief speaks volumes about how much this thread is really about fear.  :aok

I'm so onboard with that.

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« Reply #331 on: March 28, 2008, 04:18:05 AM »
Hiya, Animal.  :salute :D

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« Reply #332 on: March 28, 2008, 10:20:07 AM »
Hiya, Animal.  :salute :D
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« Reply #333 on: March 28, 2008, 10:27:05 AM »
Twenty-two pages of the same noise being used to reaffirm the same dozen poster's hopes and quench their fears that the Republican status quo isn't in danger of being interrupted. And it's centered on the frontrunner Democrat (black) candidate being a racist? The extremes some here are willing to go to to cling to that belief speaks volumes about how much this thread is really about fear.  :aok

You'll be hearing even more about Obama's pastor for 20 years if he wins the nomination. I'm betting the Rev. Wright has a few more sermons in his closet that will be exposed to the light of day. Won't surprise me a bit if someone in his congregation doesn't sell Obama out and link him to being present for one of these racist rants. It ain't over by a stretch yet.
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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #334 on: March 28, 2008, 10:33:57 AM »

BZZZZZZTTT!!! Wrong!

>*IF*<* which seems to be a massive word here. The minister preached these type of sermons ALL THE TIME on a regular basis is the only way your statement can stand. If it was the first time he did something like that, how would you then paint the picture?

There's a lot of grasping on things here that are no where near answered. Therefore claims and anttics are based on half-truths at best.

So lets move to question # 2

Who can prove or even "says" he made these type of sermons on a regular basis?

There's some apples and oranges here.

Wright is the one who said he embraces Black Liberation Theology, and named his biblical mentors -Dwight Hopkins and James Cone. You can try to lie about it, but I don't think it will fly very far. Wright is on video stating this fact.

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« Reply #335 on: March 28, 2008, 10:37:40 AM »
What's funny is the continual red herring of racism being slapped about in Obama's name.

Obama hasn't been called a racist. Wright has been called and clearly is a racist.

The real issue, the one that is really at the heart of this, is why Obama would associate so closely with Wright for 20 years. When Obama's "Just Words" speech is compared to Obama's actions in relations to Wright's words, there is a major disconnect. The man who would unite us all and help us move forward into the grand, new era of race neutral American social relationships is a close associate of one of the very worst examples of racism from the religious pulpit?

Is this the example of Obama's "Change we can believe in" that we're all supposed to worship? Saying one thing and clearly doing the opposite?

Of course, for obvious reasons, that issue can't be addressed by Obama's supporters or by those who objectively  :rofl  find that anyone saying anything negative against Obama is a racist.

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« Reply #336 on: March 28, 2008, 10:54:27 AM »
LOL.. all I see is the ability of the left here to excuse what is clearly repugnant.   

If I belonged to a church that was say..  not racist the times I was there.. for what?  20 years?  and then the pastor, while I was away, made some really strange sermons.. blamed negros for all of the white races problems.. blamed the rainbow coalition for aids..  said GD America..  all that...

Do ya think that I might... might... hear about it from some of my fellow churchgoers?   

Or are you so blinded by wishful thinking and excuses for one race that you can't see your hand in front of your face?

If you were married to a woman who thought there was never any hope in Americia.. that despite a life of privilidge and luxury.. that America was crushing hope..  would you stay with her and smile and nod your head or would you just leave her or... get her on some meds?

The whole thing speaks to a man with no spine of principals or.. one who shares the views of the people around him...

And.. I sure as hell don't like the people around him.

How do you explain it away to yourselves?  How do you excuse it?

Is it some liberal "gray" area again? 

I am laughing and disgusted at the same time..  the democrats are outed...

running a negro against a woman has caused them to be hoisted on their own petard in a most amusing and disgusting way.

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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #337 on: March 28, 2008, 11:13:06 AM »
I have a question based on a reciprocal situation. I'm just going to use one white demo name here. I am not calling this person bigoted or racist, I'm just using their name for illustrative purposes.

If Kerry had attended a church for 20 years that had a pastor who was an avowed KKK and publicly claimed that pastor for a source of inspiration and a mentor would it be different?  How about if some of the sermons preaching hate for other races was aired and tapes of it were available?

Would this situation be a basis for questioning that politicians claim of non racism and bigotry?
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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #338 on: March 28, 2008, 11:28:53 AM »
mav.. I think that some liberals here might excuse kerrie..  in the spirit of "the end justifies the means".

A better example would be if you used a Bush or McCain.

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« Reply #339 on: March 28, 2008, 01:02:36 PM »
Guilt by association, that's interesting.

If this is the only straw righty fanatics can grasp I'd say they probably can't find much dirt on Obama. Ya went hunting for bear and brought home a rabbit. :)

Why would he quit the church? Doesn't make sense since the minister has retired and the very sermon all are wetting pants over was his last. It's very selective on what parts of the issue people want to converse about.

There's one thing about denial, you never know you're in it.

People are pretty witty on this subject, and say things that would fly IF you didn't know all the facts or missing half a brain. But there is very little common sense being used. Propaganda usually contains no common logic.

If this is all there is on Obama, I'd say he's a pretty clean guy. Since we have none of his personal actions to condemn we resort to what someone else did? That's grasping man. <G> When you folks come up with something Obama actually did himself, then lets talk. Otherwise this is truly a waste of time.

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« Reply #340 on: March 28, 2008, 01:31:51 PM »
If this is all there is on Obama, I'd say he's a pretty clean guy. Since we have none of his personal actions to condemn we resort to what someone else did? That's grasping man. <G> When you folks come up with something Obama actually did himself, then lets talk. Otherwise this is truly a waste of time.

Ya just can't fix stupid.

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« Reply #341 on: March 28, 2008, 01:50:03 PM »
It isn't "guilt by association". That's just another attempt to slip in the racist red herring.

The entire episode, from 20 years ago until now, calls into question Obama's judgement; actually, his lack of judgement.

The pretension that it was Wright's last sermon that is at issue is is also incorrect. The sermon about the US using nukes on Japan was given in 2001. The sermon dealing with damning America was given in 2003 and was the one where he charged the US government with inventing HIV to use against people of color.

You are right about denial though; you provide the best example of that statement so far in this thread.

I guess the other gratuitous general insults are added to show you do indeed know all the facts.
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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #342 on: March 28, 2008, 01:53:33 PM »
Oh, get a room..

Yours was full. We'll use the hallway. ;)

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« Reply #343 on: March 28, 2008, 01:55:18 PM »
You'll be hearing even more about Obama's pastor for 20 years if he wins the nomination.

I'm sure we'll never hear the end of it, even twenty years after Obama's presidency. *ShruG* Some conspiracy theories just go on and on ... and on ... and on and on. :D

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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #344 on: March 28, 2008, 03:16:22 PM »
What's funny is the continual red herring of racism being slapped about in Obama's name.

Obama hasn't been called a racist. Wright has been called and clearly is a racist.

The real issue, the one that is really at the heart of this, is why Obama would associate so closely with Wright for 20 years. When Obama's "Just Words" speech is compared to Obama's actions in relations to Wright's words, there is a major disconnect. The man who would unite us all and help us move forward into the grand, new era of race neutral American social relationships is a close associate of one of the very worst examples of racism from the religious pulpit?

Is this the example of Obama's "Change we can believe in" that we're all supposed to worship? Saying one thing and clearly doing the opposite?

Of course, for obvious reasons, that issue can't be addressed by Obama's supporters or by those who objectively  :rofl  find that anyone saying anything negative against Obama is a racist.



Well did Obama himself say it> Some speak as if he wrote the script for the minister without actually saying it. That's the smoke cloud that's being used and that's the part where some insist we are missing half our brains.

You guys ARE in fact using guilt by association in it's most elementary form.

You're blaming Obama for what someone else said, and that IS in fact stupid. McCain is a Bush cronie should we auto assume he will destroy the economy and war like Bush and his associates did, I mean it is guilt by association game we are playing here, without saying we are.

I can flip some HUGE massive tables in the other direction if you REALLY want a heated debate blaming someone for what someone else did. Let me know, it's not rocket science.

I never said I was FOR Obama (you assume that because some who have white knuckle death grip on >PARTY<)I'm just calling this ridiculous situation as I see it. Half-truths and half-baked to create sensationalism and doubt in the air.... like Arlo said out of fear. It's weak, it's grasping at straws at best and if this is all there is,.. you just talked me into voting for him. Ya gotta come up with something better then this, unless you're counting on everyone sticking a needle in their brains.

Voting strictly party line is how this country took a nose dive, and I usually call it tunnel vision but lately I call it pin-hole vision.

Just saying. The more the issue is defended the more ridiculous it (and the supporters of party political tripe) looks.

No one has answered my questions with any intelligent return, but great evasion I'll give em that. YA we don't want to converse about true factual details we want to focus on assumption and speculation and the party line, yours.

He didn't say it, you don't even know if he was there to walk out, and NO ONE can report to me what their church is doing minute to minute since you demand the same of him. All the important questions are ignored or slithered over. Not one attempt to answer any of them. Except in doing so it would start to make sense and we don't want that.

Arlo hit the nail on the head and drove it home. IMO