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Offline FT_Animal

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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #345 on: March 28, 2008, 03:21:01 PM »
It isn't "guilt by association". That's just another attempt to slip in the racist red herring.

The entire episode, from 20 years ago until now, calls into question Obama's judgement; actually, his lack of judgement.

The pretension that it was Wright's last sermon that is at issue is is also incorrect. The sermon about the US using nukes on Japan was given in 2001. The sermon dealing with damning America was given in 2003 and was the one where he charged the US government with inventing HIV to use against people of color.

You are right about denial though; you provide the best example of that statement so far in this thread.

I guess the other gratuitous general insults are added to show you do indeed know all the facts.

BTW the Entire episode did not last 20 years, it lasted less then 30 seconds. You guys aren't even getting the elementary stuff right. <shrug>

The only thing insulted here is my intelligence.


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« Reply #346 on: March 28, 2008, 03:35:33 PM »
The democrats have firmly established that it is a "witch hunt" to prosecute someone who lied on the stand.

They are now attempting to establish that racism is ok and should be winked at when practiced by an "old uncle". Rest assured, this chicken will come home to roost.
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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #347 on: March 28, 2008, 07:04:11 PM »
The democrats have firmly established that it is a "witch hunt" to prosecute someone who lied on the stand.

They are now attempting to establish that racism is ok and should be winked at when practiced by an "old uncle". Rest assured, this chicken will come home to roost.

Tehehe

You knew that was 100% nonsense before you posted it didn't you? I'm not a Dem but seemingly Reps try to excuse everything to keep reality out of it.

Lets face some basic simple facts of life here. I smell racism in this thread like a skunk.

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« Reply #348 on: March 28, 2008, 07:17:28 PM »
I smell racism in this thread like a skunk.

That's because it's about someone who belongs to a racist church.

It takes a racist of an extreme nature to think that only White people can be racist.
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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #349 on: March 28, 2008, 07:29:14 PM »
Guilt by association, that's interesting.

If this is the only straw righty fanatics can grasp I'd say they probably can't find much dirt on Obama. Ya went hunting for bear and brought home a rabbit. :)

Why would he quit the church? Doesn't make sense since the minister has retired and the very sermon all are wetting pants over was his last. It's very selective on what parts of the issue people want to converse about.

There's one thing about denial, you never know you're in it.

People are pretty witty on this subject, and say things that would fly IF you didn't know all the facts or missing half a brain. But there is very little common sense being used. Propaganda usually contains no common logic.

If this is all there is on Obama, I'd say he's a pretty clean guy. Since we have none of his personal actions to condemn we resort to what someone else did? That's grasping man. <G> When you folks come up with something Obama actually did himself, then lets talk. Otherwise this is truly a waste of time.

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Its not guilt by association, but the honest question of why you attended a church that teaches Black Liberation Theology for 20 years?
Someone could attend a white separatist church for 20 years and never utter a bigoted remark. The problem would not be guilt by association, but why a person would attend a separatist church for 20 years. This is a big problem you can't just ignore. The church gave a very visible ant-Semitic (Louis Farrakhan) what amounts to a life time achievement award. Obama's self proclaimed Mentor accompanied Farrakhan to Libya to visit Qaddafi when he was still targeting American interest. Hey - its a free America. But I want someone more cautious to be my President. We can find someone who wasn't tangled in a web of nuts. Obama is a nice looking black m an. So what? His ideas are not nearly spectacular enough to make a thinking person ignore the anti-American and criminal people he chooses to be friends with. He says NOTHING ti make him worth the risk. He's simply an appealing black man. That shouldn't get anyone elected President.

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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #350 on: March 28, 2008, 08:53:59 PM »
The red herring of racism and the bliss of denial; that's all we've seen so far from those who choose not acknowledge the simple truth of Obama's history.

Not surprising; Obama's offer of change we can believe in is meaningless. None of those defending here in this thread can explain what that means or give examples of change for the better that Obama might bring us all. So they have to dodge and rely on the liberal fall back charge of racism while demeaning and insulting anyone that disagrees.

All anyone needs to know about Obama can be found in his voting record. The man who would bring us all together, the man that will return us to the center is an extreme left wing liberal.

Couple that with his snake-oiled duplicity (“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Obama said. “‘I have a dream.’ Just words?"; except of course that Wright's anti-American and racist remarks are words that don't matter.) and you have just another typical lying politician. Although, I suppose if I say that it is racist while Obama saying his grandmother  is a "typical white person" is not a racist remark. I understand; that is liberalism at its typical hypocritical best.

I hope Obama is the nominee; under the more intense scrutiny of the actual Presidential race I think his lying hypocrisy and ultra liberal positions will be clearly exposed.
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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #351 on: March 29, 2008, 01:18:00 AM »
Tehehe

You knew that was 100% nonsense before you posted it didn't you? I'm not a Dem but seemingly Reps try to excuse everything to keep reality out of it.

Lets face some basic simple facts of life here. I smell racism in this thread like a skunk.

How is it possible for an anti-racist to defend a racism?

That was a trick question. It isn't possible.
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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #352 on: March 29, 2008, 02:16:24 AM »
How is it possible for an anti-racist to defend a racism?

That was a trick question. It isn't possible.

Well thanks for speaking for me, but I prefer to do it on my own.

It takes alot of energy to consume one's self with ignoring common logic to purposely always end up with the same result. "He's guilty". I'm not saying YOU are racist. I am saying some responding may not realize they may be.

Is it really political or is it because he's black? The political can only be fear and any other excuse\agenda to completely ignore common logic could only be racism. You just can't purposely ignore important evidence with out an effort and self-serving agenda. You don't need an effort if you're being honest, especially with yourself. Truth stands on it's own with no pushing at all.

And we return to my 3 questions again.
A major point here is not one single person attacking Obama will even attempt to answer them. They\you just slip and slide around the issue and slow-walk yourself past them trying to use the same reasoning we started with when I asked them. Yall speak this stuff like it's proven fact, yet no on can answer one question.

It's a circle jerk. If you ignore them then your theories are sharply flawed and you know it. Now they're just arguing to "win",..OR they know nothing about what they say. And basically >IMO< pushing pure nonsense.

Even the opposing politicians refuse to tackle those questions, because the out-come spells "idiot". It's all political tripe, white wash, and smoke screen. It's the only thing people against Dems and\or Obama have and it's damn weak. I'd be embarrassed to push such idiocy. If I were out to discredit someone it would definantly have to be much better then this. All I see is half-baked speculation based on half-truths, and bent fish hooks.

I certainly would NOT use it as my best ammo. <shrug> But if that's all they got then they HAVE to get silly with it. Problem is it's VERY transparent. I think the only people being fooled by it are the people pushing it thinking other's are actually swallowing it. <shrug>

In a nut shell yall bit the hook line and sinker.

Just because the rest of us choose to at least view common sense, doesn't mean we are trying to hide anything. The accusing side of things is ignoring everything but what they want you to believe, like a bad prosecutor.

If it were in court it would be thrown out because you're not presenting anything in a form of evidence other then hear-say and assumption.

NOW, if this were to be about Billary being held down by sniper fire I'd be behind you every step of the way, waving flags, firing flare guns but this subject is just ridiculous. It really is an insult to intelligence of any kind.

>IMO<

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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #353 on: March 29, 2008, 07:49:27 AM »
I wouldn't vote for Obama in any case, that decision based simply on the fact that there isn't two cents worth of difference between he and Hillary.

Obama did the right thing in publicly denouncing Reverend Wright's highly biased, racist, and inflammatory sermons.  Like the other race baters in our society, the right Reverend Wright (Sorry, couldn't resist.) is stuck in the 1960's.  His remarks would only make sense if American society had remained static in the area of race relations for the last 50 years.  Whether such men actually believe the bilious statements that they make is beside the point;  they've been using them in a manner calculated to gain political favors and social advantage since the subsuming of moderate social discussion that occurred after the death of Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.

Obama maintains that he didn't know about Wright's radical views.  I'm sorry, but based on my own experiences in life, I simply do not believe him.  My wife and I have moved to new homes on several occasions during our married life, and have changed church membership when we did so.  Within a month or two of such moves, I could tell you what my pastor believed on a wide-variety of religious, social, and political topics.  He's a bright, intelligent guy.  How could he NOT know, especially given a twenty year membership and the fact of a close personal friendship with Wright?  There have been indications throughout Obama's campaign that both he and his wife, while they might not say so publicly, actually agree with some of Wright's statements about his country:  Her statement about this being the first time in her life that she's been proud of her country;  Obama's national anthem foible;  Wright's hateful-statements.

Taken singly, they could be written off as mere circumstance.  Taken together, fair or not, questions begin to arise ... at least for some Americans....

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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #354 on: March 29, 2008, 10:00:36 AM »
Soooo..  If a white guy attends KKK meetings but doesn't say a thing himself then all is ok?

If a white guy had a wife that said that there was never any hope in America...

The PC lefties here are the ones who have the obvious double standard..  they are in as uncomfortable a place as the democrats who are running a woman and a half negro.   

I have not heard one good argument why we should not condemn a member of a black racist church much less let him in office.   I have not heard one good reason why he didn't get his wife meds or leave her long ago.. 

He doesn't mind hearing racist comments so long as they are against whites.  to belong to a racist church.

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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #355 on: March 29, 2008, 10:49:41 AM »
I don't know if you got my point FT_Animal. I'm saying that YOU can't defend racism and present youself a non-racist in the same paragraph.
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« Reply #356 on: March 29, 2008, 03:06:04 PM »
I don't know if you got my point FT_Animal. I'm saying that YOU can't defend racism and present youself a non-racist in the same paragraph.

The fact is you are missing\ignoring mine, and on top of it putting words in my mouth. It's a distraction tactic, you know it, I know it you'd have to be brain dead to not know it.

I will NEVER protect racism, I hate peeps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and KKK equally. I defend a human ACCUSED of such who isn't exactly what yall paint him to be with water colors. It's a simply rep based lynch mod grasping at the only straw available.

Again (5th time now) unanswered questions. If you can't answer those questions how can you manifest this stance with any dignity? You don't because it blows your beleif system out of the water.

Many people were unduly lynched by minds like these, many innocent people were wrongly killed by minds like these. Fear of the unknown, what ya don't know you assume and then take actions on it? If it were the old days you peeps would have lynched him by now and wait for truth later. Lynch the guilty, but don't lynch people based on association. Like I said all the arguments here would never hold up in a court, ever. The Minister IS the racist and that's the only fact I see in over 100,000 charters of text in this thread. To say ANYTHING else is in fact association and nothing more.  In my court the minister would get his due and Obama would go free.

When people simply *refuse* to see another POV then you're simply not thinking with open minds, you have no intension to and it makes this conversation fruitless to people willing to view both sides of truth.

All I've done here is played the devil's advocate, one spec of truth or open mindedness would have squelched my thirst.

Until someone actually answers my questions this thread a waste of time. I don't view a part of a picture I view the whole picture and that's my biggest point of all.

I spent way too much time in this thread. And i leave it with this. "If the power of suggestion doesn't work, nothing will".

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Re: Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.
« Reply #357 on: March 29, 2008, 03:12:42 PM »
That's because it's about someone who belongs to a racist church.

It takes a racist of an extreme nature to think that only White people can be racist.

OHH really> Let me pump a FACT into your ears. I live in NW Indinana, I'm an audio engineer, as a side job I installed the audio in that church, it's 20 min from me. That church is at very least 70-80% whites. Now what?

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« Reply #358 on: March 29, 2008, 03:27:59 PM »
people people, relax, FT_Animal says obama is not a racist, what he is saying is obama is just stupid for belonging to a racist church for 20 years.

come on , we are going to have change and hope or something.  drink the koolaid.
 


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« Reply #359 on: March 29, 2008, 08:08:44 PM »
So did he belong to a racist church for 20 years with a bigoted pastor he considers a mentor because he didn't know it was a racist church or because he agreed with the principles that the racist church / pastor espoused?
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