AR-15 owners Beware

[Bodhi]

I am sure that an organization as dedicated to individual rights as the ACLU will be all over this case right?

As I mentioned previously, the ACLU should be all over this case, but, seeings that the ACLU only cares for a liberal agenda, they will conveniently ignore this case.

[MoeRon]

There is one thing to do in this case and that is to not loan out a semi auto weapon to anyone.

Exactly.       

[AKIron]

As I mentioned previously, the ACLU should be all over this case, but, seeings that the ACLU only cares for a liberal agenda, they will conveniently ignore this case.

If the guy had been shooting Christians with the rifle they would have leapt to his defense. 

[midnight Target]

That is hardly the ACLU's position:

http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms. Moreover, it is hard to imagine any serious resistance to the military without such arms. Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please. But as soon as we allow governmental regulation of any weapons, we have broken the dam of Constitutional protection. Once that dam is broken, we are not talking about whether the government can constitutionally restrict arms, but rather what constitutes a reasonable restriction.

[Bodhi]

Well, if it is the position of the ACLU, then why aren't they jumping all over this? 

This is cut and dry, how he got convicted is beyond me...  seems to me that he got bad advice from his attorney and took a plea deal in the hopes he will not go to jail.

As for the ACLU's position:

Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please.

I believe I should be able to own any weapon I choose.  Whether it be a bazooka, MX missile, 18 inch battleship gun, or any other weapon.  I feel the same way as do most of the gun club I am in (1000 members).
So, right off the bat, their (the ACLU's position) is flawed in that few people feel that way. 

[AKIron]

That is hardly the ACLU's position:

http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

The ACLU's position is one of those gun control positions that may soon be blown out of the water. Will they revise their position once the SC officiallly clarifies the 2nd Amendment? I believe that to the contrary, they will work harder than ever to have that clarification reversed, by supporting the effort to eventually install all liberal judges on the SC.  

[Guppy35]

Here was the guys mistake.  He had an Olympic Arms built AR-15.  Low end AR-15s that most of the AR junkies won't go anywhere near.

Based on the coverage it's getting, I'd guess this one will go away on the pure silliness of it.  There is no logic behind it.

And mine are DPMS and Bushmaster ARs

[crockett]

As I mentioned previously, the ACLU should be all over this case, but, seeings that the ACLU only cares for a liberal agenda, they will conveniently ignore this case.

ACLU has a lot of cases they "should" be involved in. But one question.. Where is the NRA in this? Why is the NRA not jumping to the guns to help this guy out?

IMO you guys missed the real problem.. it doesn't matter if it's about guns or not. He plead guilty wasn't "convicted of being guilty"  don't think anyone is going to stand up to protect him now. The real problem is that he felt that  his best option was to plead guilty. That is the real problem in this case and so many others.

Real Justice is no longer served in this country.

[Bodhi]

IMO you guys missed the real problem.. it doesn't matter if it's about guns or not. He plead guilty wasn't "convicted of being guilty"  don't think anyone is going to stand up to protect him now. The real problem is that he felt that  his best option was to plead guilty. That is the real problem in this case and so many others.

You nor I do not know the circumstances of why he plead guilty or not.  Maybe his attorney is a tool and recommended it?  Maybe he had a public defender.... Maybe the government so screwed with his head and had him believing he was going to spend the rest of his life in jail that he felt he had no other recourse but to not go to jail.

Too many what ifs...

[Xargos]

The NRA stated they will not get involved unless they are invited.  They are watching the case.

[Shuffler]

IMO the ATF should have been dissolved after the massacre in Waco.

Massacre?? There were police there asking the folks to come out. They refused to come out. Smoke was used because the individuals refused. Fire started from the smoke grenades. People still chose to stay in the fire and would not release their kids. Seems to me a bunch of uncaring fanatics chose to kill thierselves and their kids.

Of course someone opposed to law & order might see it different. Bottom line... those folks had all the chances to come out.

[lasersailor184]

Massacre?? There were police there asking the folks to come out. They refused to come out. Smoke was used because the individuals refused. Fire started from the smoke grenades. People still chose to stay in the fire and would not release their kids. Seems to me a bunch of uncaring fanatics chose to kill thierselves and their kids.

Of course someone opposed to law & order might see it different. Bottom line... those folks had all the chances to come out.

Not only did the police have no standing or reason to do what they did to the Branch Davidians, they machine gunned them down as they tried to flee the fire.

[AKIron]

Massacre?? There were police there asking the folks to come out. They refused to come out. Smoke was used because the individuals refused. Fire started from the smoke grenades. People still chose to stay in the fire and would not release their kids. Seems to me a bunch of uncaring fanatics chose to kill thierselves and their kids.

Of course someone opposed to law & order might see it different. Bottom line... those folks had all the chances to come out.

Have you watched Waco: the Rules of Engagement? http://www.waco93.com/

If not, you should. Changed my perspective.

[WWhiskey]

I am sure that an organization as dedicated to individual rights as the ACLU will be all over this case right?

I think you guys are just being paranoid... no one in black ninja outfits are coming in the middle of the night to take your guns unless you are a scum bag like this machine gun owner with a history of... of.. well..  liking guns and stuff.

lazs

it will happen just like that

[Toad]

bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms.

Typical ACLU. The definition of arms in colonial times did not include anything beyond the normal solider's equipment. That is to say things like rifles, pistols, bayonets, knives, etc.

Grenades, as in Grenadier troops, were classed as ordnance as were cannons.

The 2nd covers arms, not ordnance.

Sorry to bust a few bubbles.