The root of all man's modern problems

[Torque]

they should legalize drugs so the genetically predisposed addicts can quickly die off and stop polluting the gene pool.

[SD67]

Just remember kids, only users loose drugs!

You have no idea just how true that is

[CAP1]

all I can say is that if you have never smoked any pot that put you into the dirt and made you incapable of action then you have never smoked any good pot.

If you think that booze is much worse than pot so far as incapacitating someone then you have never really had any experience with the two drugs and... you have never seen any studies done on driving while on the two drugs.

I guess if they limited the use of legal pot to the crap lousy stuff you are smoking then they wouldn't need to regulate it's use at all.    Just like if they limited all drinks to 1% alcohol.

lazs

you apparently just don't get it....but by the way you described that incedent at the traffic light, i think we can all understand that. but for the hell of it, lets try it like this.....

take 40 people. split them into two groups. give one group whatever they want to drink, and how ever much they want. give the other group the best pot you can get your hands on. keep them all locked together for 24 hours. now........just how many do you think will come out of the drunk room? probably only a couple, as those couple kicked the watermelon out of the rest. go to the potheads room. you'll probably find that those who've not passed out from smoking too much are all getting along juuuust fine. they probably can't do anything useful, but theyll al have a blast at it. so now......which one caused problems now???? lets go back to your traffic light incedent. it's almost guarenteed, that you wouldn't have even stopped for that light, if he was drunk, but asume for the sake of argument he did. then he did what you said...it turns green, then back to red, THEN he goes. both of you being drunk, you'd probably started yelling at him, him yelling back, then one of ya would've swung, and then there'd have ben the accident.and you CAN'T tell me i'm wrong. i've seen that a LOT. hell, i just saw 2 friends aalmost get into a fistfight over a friggin baseball attendance conversation!!!! HOW???? WHY????

do ya see the point now? NO ONE SHOULD EVER DRIVE OR OPERATE MACHINERY WHEN THEY'RE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF EITHER ONE!!!!!! BUT PEOPLE GET VIOLENT, AND BELLIGERENT WHEN THEY'RE DRUNK. THEY GET MELLOW AND LAID BACK WHEN THEY'RE HIGH. i've seen it, most all of my cop friends have, my emt friends have, hell...even my air force friends have........
i'll say it again too.......when i think of how drunk i was a few times behind the wheel...many many many years ago, i thank GOD i never killed anyone or myself.

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[CAP1]

what the statistics dont show you about marijuana related accidents is that some hot shot kid with a 30 day old license is the one speeding around showing off his moms car to his friends.  just because pot is found in the car, doesnt imply someone was smoking it either.  i dont see it to impare one that much, but everyones different, thats just my argument.  i think both sides of the argument are biased... ive even seen a video where one does a driving test before and after smoking pot, and the results show that he was better off after smoking a doobie   been a while since i smoked... ah the good ol days

i graduated in 1980. since then, i've smoked it 3 times. i value my life, and sanity too much to do it anymore. all of my hobbies would be interfered with by it....flying R/C models, flying the real thing(private pilot single engine land), drag racing, competitave archery, etc.......
 it's just not worth it anymore.

i'd bet that vid was somehow doctored BTW.......pot can/does/will incapacitate you, just as badly as alchohol will.....you just won't become violent when something bad happens, that's all.

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[CAP1]

The hunger for more is ok   Greedhe other hand is "root of all problems".....Our leaders and corperations shipping jobs to China=Greed
Companys like Enron=greed....oil companys=Greed 123 bllion in profit is not enough...Folks taking advantage of our welfare system=Greed.....
Law makers making laws to benfit themselves=greed.....you could go on and on and on about greed but In my opinion this is what is killing America.
 Another thing is Dishonesty= Greed...not caring about your brother man=greed.....In this world its all about whats best for me and screw the rest!
Can't believe that pot is such a huge subject line on this disscussion....weed is that last thing I would think of in the title of"The root of all man's modern problems"

very good point. BTW...your icon thing to the left........friggin scary!!

[CAP1]

Legalize it.

The three biggest offences performed by a pot smoker:
#1 Thinks too much

#2 Can't figure out what channel too watch.

#3 Drives too slow in the fast lane.

I do not smoke myself anymore, but I believe alcohol much more dangerous IMOP.

Just remember kids, only users loose drugs!

 
you;re right....neither one is worth the risk....especially today when they seem to lace the watermelon with more chit.....bad bad bad news.......

worst of all.......i feel old saying all these things i'm saying here...my grandmom told me i would someday. wish i could tell her she was right

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[lazs2]

cap.. we agree that no one should operate machinery when loaded on either drug.  I am relieved you realize that.. since.. the tests of subjects on closed driving courses prove that there is no difference in ability to drive between drunks and pot heads.

As for your assertion that every drunk becomes a violent berserker..  hardly.  many, if not most, drunks never get into a violent confrontation their entire lives.   

Aggressiveness is not always wrong either.. a pot head incapable of acting aggressively is just as bad in some cases as someone who is maybe a tiny bit too aggressive.

It used to be fun to slap the pot heads.   I don't think their girlfriends were too happy about their state.

lazs

[Airhead]

Lazs, back in the 60s I used to get stoned and go to my girlfriend's house? And her Mom wore this bright red cheek rouge, blue eye makeup, and upswept blonde hair. Well, anyway she had a little male cockatoo that would sit on her couch by her shoulder, and I'd look at them and they looked so much alike I'd get the giggles...

So once I went over there, stoned as usual, started giggling at how much her and the bird looked alike, only I didn't know it but she was a closet drinker and was pretty drunk that day--- and she went ballistic, screaming at me and she tossed me out-

That really funked my stone, man.

Just thought I'd share.

[lazs2]

yep.. I can identify with that.   I smoked a lot of pot back in the day and had some real bad experiences with it where I wished I could muster up some will to fight.

The giggle often was not worth the helpless.   

I may have been too overconfident on drugs like crank and booze but..  I drove better and moved better and could defend myself.  with the people I was around in those days..  these were no small plus features.

I have spent many a long week/month/year on the combo of booze and crank.   sideways.   reds were probly the worst drug for me..  people would do their best to make sure I never got any.   heroin.. pot.. hash.. all about the same to me.

lazs

[ROX]

If ya had to do a mouth swab test to play AH each day...poor HiTech would go outta business.

[ink]

mini... I know a bit about drugs and addiction and the people who use and are addicted... 

There are a finite number of drug users.    there is a finite number of people who will screw up their lives with drugs...  alcohol is a drug.. it is readily available.. a certain percent become alcoholics.. that number does not change because of legality.

would you show up to work loaded on pot of heroin if you knew you would lose your job?   In the 7 years that our city has participated in the DOT program for drivers with random drug tests.. no one has been fired (caught) on drugs.   Do you think it is the fact that drugs are illegal or the fact that they are now tested and will lose their livelyhood?

It is of course..  the latter.  Your "gate valve" is the persons fear of losing everything he has.. jail is not much more piling on.

Pot is no better or worse than alcohol or heroin.. It is all the same to the person who is run into by the loadies car or crushed by the loaded backhoe operator.

I think that relaxed drug laws will bring more freedom of employers to test and weed out the misfits who, are with us in any case.   The druggies who are addicted are not working in any case and they are breaking into your car as we speak... they need to break into a few more cars tho cause the drugs are very expensive.   If a pound of heroin or crank or pot was $50.. they could break into one car a month or year to stay in a worthless stupor.

On the flip side..  some jobs would have no drug policy.. If they felt it helped creativity (doubtful) or that there was no safety hazard worse that paper cuts or stapling your hand to the desk...  they could allow the woirthless chits to work there loaded.   I have never seen a pot head worth a damn tho.

The more people seen what the real life effects of wasting your life for no reason were.. the less attractive it would be.. less cool and more seedy and stupid.   the addicts would do what addicts do.. regardless of the laws.

Laughing at pot heads is great sport.. they are clumsy and stupid and funny looking..  it would be standard to make fun of em once they were outed.   expressions like "are you stupid of just on pot?" would become part of normal speech.   Watching them try to defend themselves would be alternately pathetic and amusing. 

The number of people willing to be.. appear to be... pathetic, is finite.

lazs

well lazs  i think this is the first time i disagree with you,
and any one who says weed and alcohol are the same,
for one, i used to drink many years ago but due to the fact that when i drank i became very violent, the anger came out of my heart very easy!  so instead  of  beating the hell out of all my friends and strangers around me i quit, its been over 14 years.
   now i am an avid "pothead" but since ive moved i haven't had any in about a month, and you will never see me break into a car!i personally know many people who are "POTHEADS"  that are full members of society and they are good people, but ya i also know the type of "pothead" you refer to LAZS, but they are far and few!
   what makes you think potheads are clumsy?    im surprised that you would say something like that,   clumsy is not a word ever associated with this pothead!
actually my balance is very good(far better than average) always has been. even stoned.
   
  someone mentioned GOD and if we smoke will we be condemned to hell, thats absurd, my answer to that is, no way. if you have taken YESHUA(jesus) as your savior and ask for forgiveness you will be forgiven unless of course you wont forgive those who do you wrong,
  YESHUA died about 2000 years ago for our sins long before we where born if we believe in that, and have faith that God, YAHAVEH raised him from death, than we will be forgiven our sins and we will inherit the kingdom of GOD. so let no man judge you in your deeds, or in your food, (but dont let your deeds or food be stumbling blocks for GODS children)
for if you are a man of GOD you will have GOD in your heart and you will not practice evil!!    but we are man and fallible, and thankfully GOD is very merciful,
 
 Religion has distorted  what GOD whats from man what he expects from man, but if you want to know the truth you must search for it, ask God YAHAVEH through his son YESHUA for the discernment of the truth. 
 one truth i have found when you open a bible and you see LORD, in caps like that, in the original writings that is where Gods name was, at some point in history the jewish scribes decided it was bad luck to use Gods name so they took it out of the bible, thus now people think Gods name is "LORD"
  i found a verse in the old testament that says " you will make people forget my name..."  think about that.

anyways i wish all you to find God and enjoy peace,  in the eternal.
Paul

   

[icemaw]

 

[lazs2]

ink.. our experiences are different.  Although.. I did know some violent drunks and drunks are more violent than pot heads.. sorry you were one.   I was an alcoholic and drug addict for decades.   

I am not comparing attitudes tho..  I don't care about violent.

Clumsy? I believe that you are fooling yourself.. pot heads do that.   just like every other druggie.. they think their drug is special.

It is not.   you are not a good driver on it.. no more than a drunk..  I drove Ok drunk..  that does not mean that booze is fine to drive on.. My level on my last drunk driving was .28 and I passed the roadside sobriety test.

Tests have been done.. not yours or my speculation but real tests....  pot heads and drunks in the real world on a closed driving course do equally badly.    I don't want them on the road with me... 

I think that you would be fine giving me a tat tho.. I don't want you to be out shooting with me tho or sharing the road..  I used to be loaded every day of my life.. everyone around me was too..  I let em all drive or I drove and for the most part we were fine.. does that mean those drugs are fine to drive on?   of course not.

You should really take a good look at your addiction.. this coming from a former addict.  You can trade one addiction for another but they are all harmful.

I am sorry.. I defend your right to go through life loaded... I just don't want you on the job or on the road with me while you are..   you think you are fine.. the studies and tests say you are not.. someone is in denial.

lazs

[Sandman]

Did you ever meet a pothead, alcoholic, or compulsive gambler in real life that had any merit? I haven't.

If you watch cops, the usual suspects are drunk or on drugs. Hence their supreme stupidity.

Yeah, I see Majiuarna as catalyst for evil. You'd be blind to think otherwise.

I've got news for ya... there are alcoholics everywhere. Some of them are better equipped than others to cope with it.

[lazs2]

yep sandie..  this is getting bad..  I have to agree with you on this small point..  some people are better able to cope with their addictions than others.. that is just the way we humans are.   we really are individuals but..  all are impaired.   functional does not mean "unaffected"   

with alcohol blood levels 3 times what the law allows..  I would maintain that I was a better driver than my last ex or.. most  asians for that matter.. that was true enough but it did not mean that I should be on the road.

The problem with addiction is that your drug is a seductive liar.   It will tell you that you don't have a problem.. your life is fine or.. if it is obvious it is not.. then everything else.. everything but your friend your drug of choice, which YOU NEED is the problem..  bad luck.. evil people.. never your friend, your drug of choice.. which stupid people don't realize that YOU NEED TO MAKE YOU BETTER.

I would agree with some here tho that the "war on drugs" is the real evil.. it causes a lot more problems than it solves..  I have yet to see any problem it solved tho.   I do see users in prison and people shot in the middle of the night in their own homes by police.    I do see billions being spent on "the war" on drugs.   I see a lot of criminals getting rich off the war on drugs.   Maybe their is a positive result that I have not seen but I can't think of it.

no law or agency full of ninjas made my job drug free.   the fact that the guys will lose their job and are tested made my job drug free.

lazs