Issue with tonights frame 3

[Sled]

This does not happen very offten, but we had an issue with the start of the logs tonight. Unfortuantly the logs did not start till some time around the T+30 mark. When they come out we will know for sure.

This will obviously be a problem with scoring, but should not effect the scoring of ground targets. This should only be a problem with the scoring of AC launches and kills.

We will look at what information is in the logs and do the best we can. But it is possible that we will only have a ground (object damage) score to give for this frame.


Sorry for this, I can only remembering it happening 3-4 times in the 4+ years I have been here.

[Scotch]

Well, our first large engagement was at +17min with a huge furball of planes.

That's going to be a lot of missing data.
I have a full film from take off to landing (with 2minutes left in event) if that helps reconstruct the logs at all.

[Husky01]

I hope they don't loose that much data....we think we had a really outstanding night...

[Alpo]

Are the logs going to be posted with the info they have?

[Sled]

Yes they will.

[ghostdancer]

I am looking into the log glitch. Basically we lost all data before the T+43 mark.

From screen shots I have been able to reconstruct the bomb damage done by both sides. The strikes on A57 and A52 happened before T+43 the strikes on A48 and A31 happened before and after T+43.

As I said I can reconstruct the bomb damage. As air to air .. before T+43 I am attempting to piece things together but it doesn't look hopeful.

Also I know we broke 440 pilots tonight but again I can't give specific break outs per squads. I just wrote down the overall numbers.

[Scotch]

I hope they don't loose that much data....we think we had a really outstanding night...

I had confirmed 4-6kills before the logs were apparently started.

[Husky01]

That stinks the AoM most likely had around 20+ kills before the logs even started....

[ghostdancer]

Believe me guys I know, I know .. I am trying different ways to get data but the glitch basically looks like I lost the first 43 minutes. The ground stuff I can figure out but not the air to air.

So I might just have to score the frame based on ground action.

Also from what I can tell the attack force sent to hit P40 was slaughtered before target. So the defenders of A31 and P40 didn't see as much action.

Heaviest fighting and early fighting seemed to between A52 and A48. Looks like the allied strike to A52 and the Japanese strike to A48 and P40 ran right into each other plus the defending forces of A52 and A48. Fighting rage early and from sectors 5,9  to 8,9 (100 miles of fighting as both strikes tried to punch through each other and the other sides defenders).

So fighting was brutal there.

Not sure how it was around the CVs. In the East was light after the A31 strike got in since the P40 strike was already dead. So the allies out in the east I think had little bit of action and then none.

[Viper61]

To bad on the logs 

The AXIS plan centered on the AC kill ratio and not the target damage.  I figured to exchange evenly the target damage but make up for it in AC kills.  And as fate would have it our side pushed the fight early on before H+30.  In fact I was probably the first plane down at H+13 or so.

I watched the pilot ratio through out and the AXIS side had the upper hand, but we started out with more also.  Also I didnt use any twin engine bombers to lessen point loss's to the AXIS side.  I have a AAR posted with more detail.

Be interesting to see how you score it.

Viper 61
AXIS CIC

[Husky01]

O man that stinks! Our group was going for a record to! We where trying to be the squad with the most kills ever in a FSO frame, but with out the logs of the largest fight of the night for us I suppose we are out of luck.  Still was great night of fun though. Even with missing half the logs we still show 22 Kills Id estimate we had around another 20 or so before the logs got started up, that would probably put us right around 45 kills or so for the night. Anywho was still great fun and <S> all the CMS for all your hard work.

On another note, so far in FSO history what has been the largest number of kills by 1 squad in a FSO frame?

[AKKaz]

The first 40 or so mins hit us hard, we started with 12 pilots but by then we were down to 3 on record.  Lost alot of pilots, but took at least 3 times that with us.

Scoring has to be out the window on this one.  Without the AC kill tallies what would be the purpose of even giving a score, just might as well consider it a wash.

[ghostdancer]

Well the fighting in the air was massive and intense. After T+43 this was the AC kills:

JAPANESE
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03 A6M2s
37 B25Cs
11 F4Fs
03 P38Gs
14 P39Ds
34 P40Bs

96 Allied planes killed, 3 friendly fire incidents


AMERICANS
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67 A6M2s
05 B5N2s
01 KI61s
01 B25C

73 Japanese planes killed, 1 friendly fire incident.


However, basically I can't score the Air to Air portion of the frame since I know there was massive fighting before T+43, with much more substantial losses to A6M2s and B5N2s than shown here. Also I know that at least 14 P40Bs were lost in the T+43 (Nightmares lost that many before the T+43 mark).

Most of the allied B25C strikes came in after that mark so the info I was able to pull out of the logs after the glitch shows most of their deaths I believe (38 B25Cs lost to enemy and friend fire). I believe most of the strikes conducted by the Japanese on the allied bases came in before T+43 so I don't have there losses there (hinted at by only 5 B5N2s being captured as lost in the recovered logs).

As you said Viper the fighting and AC lost seemed to be evenly matched and hotly contested. So I can't go with the partial logs.

As for ground .. well that was 402 points to the Japanese and 212 points to the allies.

[RATTFINK]

O man that stinks! Our group was going for a record to! We where trying to be the squad with the most kills ever in a FSO frame, but with out the logs of the largest fight of the night for us I suppose we are out of luck.  Still was great night of fun though. Even with missing half the logs we still show 22 Kills Id estimate we had around another 20 or so before the logs got started up, that would probably put us right around 45 kills or so for the night. Anywho was still great fun and <S> all the CMS for all your hard work.

On another note, so far in FSO history what has been the largest number of kills by 1 squad in a FSO frame?

My old FSO squad had higher kills in a frame.

[Husky01]

How many? All A2A? Thats impressive.