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Offline jamusta

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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2008, 06:47:45 PM »
Look. I can care less about what set up that you guys put up. I dont care if its a free for all. I dont care if im in a furball flying a f6f v a tiger tank. I just want to have the ability to give a good fight. I say this because most of you can not or if you can will not. If what I just said angers you then you are who I am talking about. 19 v 6 is not a good fight for those 6. Sure I get mad when I am being ganged 5 v 1 but that is only when the 5 are "VETS". Once again if you are angered by this comment I'm talking about you. Give me the ability to go to whoever has the least numbers so I can attempt to give the horde a good fight. 24 hours is just plain crazy. I can settle with a time limit of a few hours but 24? COME ON

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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2008, 07:03:44 PM »
Off numbers on sides can be frustrating, but even more frustrating was some of the tremendously juvenile behavior that was taking place when persons could swap sides at will.
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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2008, 08:06:23 PM »
Off numbers on sides can be frustrating, but even more frustrating was some of the tremendously juvenile behavior that was taking place when persons could swap sides at will.

please elaborate for me?
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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2008, 11:10:06 PM »
I think the AvA is just in it's awkward teenage years, it'll get better.  I think right now it's the worst it's ever been so....no way to go but up!  :)

I've been playing for 2 years now [took a break for a month or so, then came back]. In the time that I've been playing I have sen more players in the AvA room since they started these wars. Its far better than what it was before.
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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2008, 02:23:58 PM »
please elaborate for me?

Browse the forum topics around the time the first war was released.
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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2008, 05:03:52 AM »
Look. I can care less about what set up that you guys put up. I dont care if its a free for all. I dont care if im in a furball flying a f6f v a tiger tank. I just want to have the ability to give a good fight. I say this because most of you can not or if you can will not. If what I just said angers you then you are who I am talking about. 19 v 6 is not a good fight for those 6. Sure I get mad when I am being ganged 5 v 1 but that is only when the 5 are "VETS". Once again if you are angered by this comment I'm talking about you. Give me the ability to go to whoever has the least numbers so I can attempt to give the horde a good fight. 24 hours is just plain crazy. I can settle with a time limit of a few hours but 24? COME ON

It's WAR man!!! Can't switch sides in a WAR!!!
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Yes the ganging is silly. What's the use of having numbers when they are so lopsided you can't get a good fight and are ganged and Hoed repeatedly or you are stuck on the side with overwhelming numbers and you are part of the unskilled horde ...
The over extended switch time and the silly medals have made the problem worse imo. If the target audience  are 15 year old MA rejects, I think you have cornered the market ...
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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2008, 10:08:05 AM »
Look. I can care less about what set up that you guys put up. I dont care if its a free for all. I dont care if im in a furball flying a f6f v a tiger tank. I just want to have the ability to give a good fight. I say this because most of you can not or if you can will not. If what I just said angers you then you are who I am talking about. 19 v 6 is not a good fight for those 6. Sure I get mad when I am being ganged 5 v 1 but that is only when the 5 are "VETS". Once again if you are angered by this comment I'm talking about you. Give me the ability to go to whoever has the least numbers so I can attempt to give the horde a good fight. 24 hours is just plain crazy. I can settle with a time limit of a few hours but 24? COME ON
Your quote does not anger me at all. It is a valid complaint if, in fact, certain gamers are using this particular arena strictly for furballing. As for the Avengers, and many other squads, it is used strictly for missions and long term objectives, as AH has recently designated it for....
Speaking for the Avengers.....we do not intentionally gang up on anyone for the sake of a kill. If there is opposition to our objective, be it one con or many, we do what is necessary to eliminate it. When escorting bombers, we will NEVER leave them unprotected to chase a lonely con....but we will dispatch 2 fighters to get rid of it if it is a perceived threat. Many times we have seen a con very low and did not allow a single fighter to give up its alt for the kill as it was not a threat to the mission. When trying to get troops into a town, we will hover over the airfield and ensure no one will interfere with out objective. Call it vulching if you want...and yes, by definition it is vulching....but by no means should it be compared to those that vulch without attempting to take a field. Sure, we can take out the fighter hangars and GV hangars....but if possible, we would like to use the field without having to wait for a rebuild. If you are looking for a fight only...and prefer a one on one, why come into an arena that is mission based when you have the duelling arena and the Main arena? Last night, we had 3 110's jumped by a large handful of cons. When two of us were dead, the third was left alone....with about 5 spits around him. No complaint here about the final gang bang on the lone 110...it is a consequence of the war.
Finally...as for uneven numbers....like I said in an earlier post....those numbers sway back and forth all night. If we attempt to stabilize them, it will be next to impossible without it being computer generated....each person that logs on is automatically assigned to the side that is one down....but that scenario will eliminate the whole idea of long term objectives and squads will be ripped apart. We have a good alternative in this arena that is not offered in any other arena....yet the complaints I am seeing (albeit valid) can easily be eliminated by flying in any other arena. Why must we worry about it in this arena?
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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2008, 10:17:26 AM »
well said Raptor

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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2008, 10:27:20 AM »
You could have squads that represent one side and always (almost always) fight for that side for the duration of a war.  The Avengers is a good example.  This is the war aspect, the squads stick to their side.  The people not associated with the squads could switch around to balance the numbers.  Call them mercenaries if you will.   They balance the fight.  As of now, it seems side switching for anyone is discouraged which can lead to some unbalanced play.  The time restriction on switching would have to be reduced as numbers can swap during one night.

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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2008, 10:39:49 AM »
You could have squads that represent one side and always (almost always) fight for that side for the duration of a war.  The Avengers is a good example.  This is the war aspect, the squads stick to their side.  The people not associated with the squads could switch around to balance the numbers.  Call them mercenaries if you will.   They balance the fight.  As of now, it seems side switching for anyone is discouraged which can lead to some unbalanced play.  The time restriction on switching would have to be reduced as numbers can swap during one night.

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Not a bad solution except for the fact that many times, a mission precedes a following mission or several missions....so if one leaves one side to go to the other, he already knows what our plans are for the evening .....and the whole idea of "blinding" the enemy is useless....and blinding the enemy is one of the fun "pre mission" things that we do. Like I said, the numbers go back and forth.....and many times are within 10% of being even......I willl say one thing...the arena and most of the community in it is great.....I think most of us can work this out by allowing the kinks to work themselves out as time goes on....but to make mandatory changes right now, I believe, will be a mistake...
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Re: I am dissapointed
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Offline jamusta

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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2008, 06:35:25 PM »
24 hours is way to long. If I get on 7pm and switch to even sides and the next day I get on at 12pm and I cant switch to even sides then that leaves me with another 7 hours....Yeah that makes sense. I think 5 hours would be enough. I do not come to AvA to furball because there isnt any furballs. Come to think of it why do I show up besides to run into some good folks that flew in here 5 or 6 years ago.

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Re: I am disappointed
« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2008, 07:30:45 AM »
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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2008, 07:39:53 AM »
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Re: I am dissapointed
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2008, 07:41:32 AM »
I've been playing for 2 years now [took a break for a month or so, then came back]. In the time that I've been playing I have sen more players in the AvA room since they started these wars. Its far better than what it was before.


More numbers equals crappier game play. AvA was a lot better place when there was only ten-fifteen people on a night.
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