Well, I'm not sure if you guys already did this one.

[angelsandair]

Well, since we always do Snapshots that are off historical events, I was reading World War 2 magazine. I found a magazine article that would be a great Snapshot. Its just it's such a cool historical event that it would be great. I just think that we probably did this before. It was an American vs. Russian fight. IF I remember, there was a squadron of P-38s doing a fighter sweep in mid Germany or something like that. They ran into Yak-9s (yak-9s?) and they engaged in a huge dogfight thinking the other was German. If I remember, the P-38s bagged 8 kills on the Yaks while they only got 1 or 2 and caused 1 American death. It would be a great Snapshot, but I am unaware of the details since I just browsed through the article. I'm not sure what you do if you have a good idea for this, but are we doing this? Since I'm basically a squeaker on the Forums, I may as well ask.

P.S. could someone look up the information about it for me

Thnx <S> 

[Guppy35]

November 44, 82nd FG and they didn't get 8 Yaks they got a couple, and lost some 38s.  They strafed a Russian Convoy by mistake.

We did a SAPP night based on that event. 

[angelsandair]

Really? when? but thats not important, I just remember the article saying that one american pilot was killed. MAN now I got nothin else to think of. I have another one I saw on dogfights, dont really remember it, just sorta browsed through. and since I'm sorta bein random, did we ever do the Mariana's Turkey Shoot Scenario? If we didn't do one, thats what we should do next. 

[pez]

interesting idea but it was only a turkey shoot because the japanese where relatively untrained and inexperianced. how would we get all the noobs on one team? auto signup everyone that has a 2 week trial for the axis? hehe that would be fun. trial pilots taste like chicken...

[angelsandair]

 

Well, I'm just throwin up some ideas. Those are the ones I remember the most. We could do a Polesti Oil Fields sorta thing, but we need the earlier B-24 models to do that though.

[Panzzer]

We had a week of "A Case of Mistaken Identity" running in the AvA a long time ago (December?).

On 18 March 1945 Mustangs from the U.S. 359th FG escorting B-17s deep into Germany encountered and bounced some Yak9Ms and La-3s mistaken as 109s and 190s.  (An account of the mission appears in the February, 2008 issue of “Flight Journal.)  As the armies closed in on the dying forces of the Third Reich, the risk of such encounters became ever more pronounced.  This week’s setup simulates the risk of such tragic mistakes - and the potential for a third world war, already contemplated by powerful leaders in Moscow and Washington.

I wonder how they've found LaGG-3's in 1945 still in service, I'd place La-5FN's or La-7's in that period. And the engine type is also wrong, La-5/7  would suit better for a 190 (radial engine)...

[Guppy35]

Well, I'm just throwin up some ideas. Those are the ones I remember the most. We could do a Polesti Oil Fields sorta thing, but we need the earlier B-24 models to do that though.

There were plenty more raids on Ploesti, including a low level 38 raid in June 44.  17s and 24s went often.

We ran that one in Airwarrior with 17s since we had no 24.  It was great fun as the expectation was the low level run got done sometime within the scenario but it wasn't announced which day so you had to defend against all kinds of options.  Wildest furball I ever saw in AW was the Ploesti Scenario P38 run at low level.  190s and 38s all over the place  

[angelsandair]

Well, we could do Midway, but thats like saying we dont fly in Aces High. I'm pretty sure we've done that one like 10 million times 
I'm running out of ideas for stuff though. Anyone know of famous P-39 fights or famous fights we havent done? Lets say Guadalcanal, or something like that.
I was hoping the Yaks and the 38s was gonna be a first. 

[Motherland]

American's vs. Russians happened more than once in WW2. I remember, in The Blonde Knight of Germany, Hartmann recalled an occassion when he dived on a group of Russian bombers, Il2s IIRC, and picked one off. The bombers were being escorted by Russians and Americans. No one noticed Hartmann diving through, so the Russians, in Yakovlevs IIRC, engaged the Americans (in P51's?) thinking that it must have been one of them (even as allies, they didnt trust eachother). Hartmann saw a furball break out as he was extending.

[angelsandair]

That would be pretty cool. Have them on one team, then have a single dive in them, then they turn on each other. Have like all the P-51s on one vox, then the Yaks on another. 

But I also got the idea of seeing what COULD have happened. It's pretty stupid, and since no1 saw the other one, just bringing it up here.
Re-make historical suprise attacks. Like Pearl Harbor, lets say the Americans were waiting for the Japanese, what could've been the outcome of the battle. Of course, there would be certain circumstances to really spice things up and there are limitless possibilities. 

But, it's a dweebish sort of thing but at some point, we are gonna run out of scenarios to do. May as well put in possibilities. There has been these things on the History Channel and Military Channel about these things.  It would be really fun.

[ROC]

we are gonna run out of scenarios to do

"We" are?

I don't think we will.

[angelsandair]

Original Scenarios that happened during WW2 with out repeating them. Of course, repeating them would always be a fresh start.

[Guppy35]

Original Scenarios that happened during WW2 with out repeating them. Of course, repeating them would always be a fresh start.

You are trying too hard.  The enthusiasm is good, but you are trying to play catch up and assume that no one else out there has an original thought or any knowledge to share

And just cause you've read the headlines doesn't mean there aren't a lot of other stories out there in the back pages of history.

You want some of us to throw scenario ideas out there, you might want to get a pen and some paper, cause the list could be really long.

Trust that ROC and company have things well in hand too.

[Roscoroo]

there's several thing to take into account /perspective befor just tossing out a snapshot/scenario .
1st , is  the correct Terrain available for it?
2nd, does the terrain need modifications to run it ?
3rd, plane set , do we have the correct planes ,and or a substitute that will work ?
4th,how large is the battle/event ,and is it lopsided ? how do you balance this to work within AH2.
5th, are we getting a update soon ,and will it effect this.



so there's just a taste of the stuff we ask thats on our list for creating events.

[angelsandair]

well, here is the things for this.


1. I dont know what terrains we have.
2. I'm just throwing up ideas for some newer stuff.