Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists

[AKIron]

You should explicit your distinguishment of truth and Truth (as you've referred to before), then.

Well, from my perspective, there is no truth that isn't of the Truth. I readily admit that this is belief based on faith.

[moot]

Then you admit that your perspective as concerns this specific matter is not scientific.  Please don't unduely clog the plumbing of science.

[AKIron]

Then you admit that your perspective as concerns this specific matter is not scientific.  Please don't unduely clog the plumbing of science.

I sure won't admit that my search for truth isn't scientific. Because I have faith does not mean my mind is closed to possibilities or that I don't desire to know reality.

[moot]

There's scientific truth, and religious truth. You've said so yourself ("truth and Truth").  Stop interfering with scientific method with red herrings.

[moot]

I sure won't admit that my search for truth isn't scientific.

Any "scientific" "search for truth' will not include supernatural "possibilities".

[lambo31]

I think your confusing science and Evolution. They didn't depart from science, just the belief in particles to people evolution.
 
My evidence is the same that you have. The difference is in the way we interpret the facts.

And I'm not a scientist, never claimed to be. I'm a christian.

Lambo

[AKIron]

There's scientific truth, and religious truth. You've said so yourself ("truth and Truth").  Stop interfering with scientific method with red herrings.

"truth" is nothing more than a limited understanding of "Truth". We can know true aspects of the nature of God but we may never be able to have the full mind of God which is "Truth". If there is in reality a God from which all things flow how can science be true without considering this?  

[moot]

Evolution is Science, no confusion on my part.  On yours, yeah, probably.

particles to people evolution

Huh? What?

Interpretation of facts is thru the optics of reason, logic. Show that your interpretations of the facts satisfies this criteria.

What does your being a christian have to do with scientific research?

[moot]

"truth" is nothing more than a limited understanding of "Truth". We can BELIEVE true aspects of the nature of God but we may never be able to have the full mind of God which is "Truth".

fixed that for ya.. Let me know if and how you object.

If there is in reality a God from which all things flow how can science be true without considering this?  

Science never has made any pretention to anything supernatural. Do you understand this, or dismiss/ignore it?

[AKIron]

fixed that for ya.. Let me know if and how you object. Science never has made any pretention to anything supernatural. Do you understand this, or dismiss/ignore it?

I agree with your correction but then I think we don't actually know anything but rather have only belief. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify.

I need your definition of "supernatural" before I answer you.

[RTHolmes]

If you attempt to explain a designer of life, you are accused of introducing God into the debate.

...which you would be, by definition.

[moot]

Supernatural is that which we humans could never devise a scientific explanation for.
If I may, I'll pretend that I know where this is headed and jump to the final point.. I think we have our life here in the material world. I think we have brains to help us figure things out on our own, as far as we might. I think we may or may not have something supernatural waiting for us after we materialy die.  I think if that's the case, we'll have eternity to figure out what happens after we die.  I think it's a waste, of what we've been given, when time is ticking and our material choices decide what happens right now, to wax supernatural on our religious fate.  I think we are here in this material world, left to do our best.
I think reason is our best material hope.  I think any faith we have today in this material world will never compare with the Truth.  I think it's in vain to try and pretend we know what we'll know in the infinite supernatural realm.

That's just my supposition on the supernatural. I don't think it trumps realistic, scientific reason at all. I believe what I see, not what I can imagine without practical confirmation.

[lambo31]

  

Quote from

Evolution Is Religion--Not Science
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=455

"The fact is that evolutionists believe in evolution because they want to. It is their desire at all costs to explain the origin of everything without a Creator. Evolutionism is thus intrinsically an atheistic religion. Some may prefer to call it humanism, and New Age evolutionists may place it in the context of some form of pantheism, but they all amount to the same thing. Whether atheism or humanism (or even pantheism), the purpose is to eliminate a personal God from any active role in the origin of the universe and all its components, including man. "

No Evolution is not science, it's just using science.

Lambo

[AKIron]

Supernatural is that which we humans could never devise a scientific explanation for.

That's a circular argument if ever I heard one.

I'm going to attempt to establish some paramaters. We'll need to come to an understanding before you can understand my viewpoint.

Are quantum or string theories of the supernatural? If not, please explain why.

[moot]

"The fact is that evolutionists believe in evolution because they want to. It is their desire at all costs to explain the origin of everything without a Creator.

You're a mind reader?