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FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« on: April 21, 2008, 11:37:27 PM »
I was dreaming up some future events that might have potential for an AVA mini campaign and came up with this.  Sadly, we don't have all the aircraft and I'm sure no map to support it.  Still, it's fun dreaming, I think it could be fun which is always :aok 

Future event wish list:
Requirements: 
Map - Burma region (East India to Vietnam/Burma to China)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Burma_topo_en.jpg

Aircraft
Japan
21st Hikotai - Kawasaki KI-84 lily bombers.  Assigned to bases at Hanoi.
60th, 62nd, and 98th Sentai - Mitsubishi KI-21 Sally heavy bombers
31st Sentai - Mitsubishi KI-30 Ann attack bombers
77th Sentai - Nakajima KI-27 Nate fighters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Ki-27)
12th Sentai - Nakajima K1-21 Sally bomber
64th Sentai - Nakajima KI-43 Oscars, Kawasaki KI-45 Nick (heavy fighter) later

Thailand - Few people may know that Thailand formed an Alliance with Japan and in 1942 Thailand declared war on both Britain and the USA.  The former Thai queen was in Great Britain.  They conducted air raid with the JAF on Rangoon.

Thai 90th Combined wing
41st and 42nd  squadron - Curtis Hawk III  http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/hawk_china.htm
32nd squadron - Vought corsair V-93
11th and 12th squadron - Mitsubishi KI-30 light bomber (single engine) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Ki-30
61st squadron - Martin 139WS (Martin B-10) bomber
62nd squadron - Mitsubishi KI-21ia sally bombers

AVG (flying tigers)
- P40B initially then limited P40E's at a later point
1st AVG (Adam & Eves) Assigned in Kunming, China
2nd AVG (Panda bears) Assigned in Kunming, China
3rd AVG (Hell's Angels) Assigned in Rangoon, Burma at the Mingaladon Airfield

RAF
67 Squadron - Brewster Buffalos, then later Hawker Hurricanes.

EVENT 1 Bomber intercepts
- 3rd AVG and the RAF defend Rangoon and Mingalondon airfield against unescorted and escorted bomber formations from all initial squadrons.
Axis objective - JAF and RTAF Destroy Rangoon and Mingalondon airfield.  Destroy supply convoys on the Burma road
Allied objective - Shoot down bombers, defend city and airfiield

EVENT 2 2nd AVG strikes back
Allied objectives - Raid Japanese airfields in Thailand
Axis objectives - (31st, 62nd, and 77th Sentai) launch fighter sweeps and counter attacks on the allied airfield at Mingalondon

EVENT 3 AVG moves to Magwe (300 miles North of Rangoon).
Allied objectives - Defend Magwe, raid JAF bases in Vietnam.  (Elements of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd AVG with P-40E's and 67 squadron Hawker Hurricanes)
Axis objectives -   64th Sentai (KI-43/KI45), 11th Sentai (KI-27/KI-30)  Bomb Magwe airfield, conduct fighter sweeps, destroy supply convoys.

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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2008, 04:06:12 AM »
looking at the maps I believe the AvA can work on the war idea. 

Italy, rhine, baltic, (african maps?)  All of these maps can be set in a specific time/date.  I don't believe we should have a rolling planeset all the way through to late war rides.  say a 2 week period with early war stuff and 1 week with mid war rides. 

The position of the map is assessed after the 2 weeks.

I think people want the AvA to be  1) historical 2) immersive 3) good fights.  one and two are the easiest, 3 is where the community decides with their own actions.

35 troops is the right limit for capture,  I don't agree with 1 day downtime.   maybe 1 hour for town buildings and 30 minutes for hangars.


 

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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2008, 01:47:54 PM »
That's looks like a really kewl map and plane set up.

I wish AH would model some of the urly ww2 bi planes and urly  single wings planes .   I can't remember what all of them were called but I use to fly them in the Targetware game and they were a blast to fly.. And really they were good fighters I use to shoot down most more advansted planes with my bi plane all the time.

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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2008, 02:32:42 PM »
um...what does "urly" mean?  :confused: :huh :salute
TIGER, tiger, burning bright  
In the forests of the night,  
What immortal hand or eye  
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2008, 02:35:28 PM »
ok im at a loss, what does advansted mean??  :rofl :huh :confused:

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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2008, 07:54:00 PM »
Ok so BT's spelling was not the greatest.  I still understood his comments, as I'm sure you both did.  Please refrain from posts that might derail the topic. 

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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2008, 12:10:17 AM »
Operation Tidal Wave (original code named Soapsuds)

Mission - The mass daylight low level bombing of the Ploiesti oil fields in Romania, the largest European oil production and refining complex, by B-24 Liberators based out of airfields in Benghazi, Libya.  Low level was orderd to counter expected German radar coverage.  The bombers come in at tree top level.  A divert field is located at an RAF airfield in Corfu.

Objectives:
Allies -  Destroy at least 40% or more and have 50% or more planes RTB to be successful.
Axis  -  Destory more than 50% of the B-24's and defend the oil refineries.

Historic date - On  Sunday 01 August 1943 178 B-24{D} Liberator heavy bombers flew a 2,400 mile round trip flight to attack the oil refineries of Ploiesti.  5 Medals of Honor were awarded to participants of this raid.

- 177 of 178 (some say 179) bombers reached the Adriatic Sea.  1 was lost on takeoff, the Kickapoo, due to an engine fire.  She struck a concrete light post, burst into flames, and all but 2 of the 10 man crew perished.  Another B-24 "wongo wongo" plunged into the Adriatic sea for unknown reasons after beginning to fly erratically.  A third B-24 "Desert Lilly" descended to check on wongo wongo and could not rejoin the formation.  Strict radio silence caused confusion and difficulty maintaining cohesion in the bomber formation causing 10 additional planes to return to friendly fields.  Now the formation must make a 9,000 foot climb over the Pindus Mountains in heavy cloud cover. 

All 5 groups, with Col Compton's bomber Teggie Ann leading the formation, managed to cross at 11,000 feet but the 376th and 93rd used high power settings and advanced ahead of the other 3 formations.  Unknown to the American planners, the Germans knew where the formations were, but the policy of strict radio silence was maintained and the strung out formation of bombers maintained their course to the waypoint 65 miles from Ploiesti.  Of the 177 aircraft, only 88 managed to return to Libya and of that number only 33 were fit for service the following day.

Background - The 12 refineries of Poiesti were the main source of oil for German war effort during WW2 when Romania was Germany's ally.  The oil fields are rather far from airfields and had been spared from Allied attacks prior to 1943.  The historic route of the bombers was from Benghazi, across the Mediterranean and Adriatic, past the island of Cofu. Then turn inland and they flew over the Pindus Mountains of Albania, shrouded in a wall of clouds, and across southern Yugoslavia.  Now the formation has split up a bit with the rear group 20 minutes behind the lead.  The lead group is comprised of the 93rd and 376th.  At a predetermined waypoint the formation would turn towards Ploiesti and simultaneously strike the 7 desginated targets from the North.  Historically several hundred anti-air guns ranging in size from 105mm and 88mm down to smaller caliber guns hidden around the refineries including mobile guns on rail cars.109's dove down from their mid~high altitude search and began pouncing on the bombers.

Targets - 7 targets were specified for destruction.

- 389th/376th Steaua Romana refinery (located in Campina NW of the city of Ploiesti)
- 376th Romania Americana refinery
- 376th/98th/93rd Astra Romania refinery
- 44th/93rd Columbia Acquilla refinery
- 44th  Creditul Minier refinery (located South of Ploiesti)
- 93rd  Unirea Orion refinery (target of opportunity Columbia Acquilla refinery)
- 376th Concordia Vega refinery

Historic waypoints:
- Start at Benghazi, fly across the Med to
- waypoint North of the island of Corfu
- Pindus Mountains run about 100 miles from the southern border of Albania to NW Greece
- Albania
- Yugoslavia
- Bulgaria,  crossing more mountains at the Bulgaria/Romania border.
- Waypoint 65 miles N of Ploiesti
- Waypoint Floresti

NOTES:
- 93rd and 376th took a wrong turn on the leg to Floresti and flew towards Bucharest (located S of Ploiesti).  After a course correction the 93rd will fly into Ploiesti alone ahead of the other groups.
- At a specified waypoint the 389th bomb group departs for its designated target at Campina.
- Once the formation crossed the Danube river it decended to a couple hundred feet above the Romanian countryside

B-24 bomber modification:
- All participating B-24's (and I'm going to say B-24D's) were equipped with bomb bay fuel tanks to increase fuel capacity to 3,100 gallons.
- Only the 93rd BG carries 1,000 lb bombs all others carry smaller sized bombs
- Radio silence - Must be maintained by all Allied participants until the leg approaching Floresti. 

Participants:

ALLIED (Composite strike force United States Eighth and Ninth Air Forces)

Allied Commander - Brigadier General Uzal G. Ent, Commander IX Bomber Command.(flew in Col Compton's plane).  BTW, Ent was a balloon pilot!

9TH Air Force
- 98th bomb group [The Pyramidiers] [Group Commander Col John R. "killer" Kane flying Hail Columbia] 47 B-24's (343rd, 344th, 345th, 389th, 415th squadrons
- 376th bomb group [ Group Commander Col K. K. Compton (512th squadron)

note - as far as I can tell the 343rd's B-24D's were all renamed after a Disney Snow White theme in a "Snow White Squadron Directive" in the spring of 43 (Doc, Dopey, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy, Sneezy, Bashful, Prince Charming, and then Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs).  9 planes in all.

8TH Air Force
- 44th bomb group [The flying Eight balls] Col Leon w. Johnson (66th, 67th, 68th, and 506th squadrons)
- 93rd bomb group [The Travelling Circus] [LtCol Addison E. Baker flying Hell's wench (328th, 329th 330th, and 409th, squadrons)
- 389th bomb group [The Sky Scorpions] [Col Jack W. Wood ] (564th, 565th, 566th, 567th squadron)

Airfield - Benghazi, Libya located on the NE tip of the Gulf of sidra


AXIS

Axis Commander - LW General Alfred Gerstenberg (flew in Richtofen's squadron in WW1).

An estimated 300 heavy flak guns and mobile flak guns at the refineries and in Bucharest (35 miles South of Ploiesti).  Air defenses located in the hills at Campina were actually able to fire down into the bomber formations.

High speed German flak trains

Messerschmitt BF 109 (historically 52 available)
Messerschmitt BF 110 (dont know what they did)
Note: both 109 and IAR 80 fighters were circling high overhead Ploiesti waiting for the bombers.

Radar stations in Sicily, Greece, and Bulgaria tracked the bombers all the way to the target.  Ground observers added further details and Barrage ballons above Bucharest which can destroy a bomber if it collides.

Romanian
IAR 80A/B's (either 6 x 7.92mm browning or the upgrade 13.2mm FN machine guns - B's).  This is actually a pretty neat looking bird.  I'd like to see it modelled.
- (they may have also had limited numbers of IAR-81C's with 2 x 20mm MG 151/20 cannon combined with 4 x 7.92mm FN machine guns in the wings)
- could be competetive with the BF109-E, Hawker Hurricane, and some Spits.

Bulgarian
B-534 biplanes (tried to attack the formation and actually scored some hits) Czech designed bi plane 4 x 7.92mm machine guns.

References:
http://www.armyairforces.com/
http://www.usaaf.com/8thaf/index.htm
http://www.usaaf.com/9thaf/index.htm
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?lang=en&id=47862833&pageid=r&query=41-11776
http://www.b24bestweb.com/b24bestweb-GOLD-CLUB-24.htm
http://www.geocities.com/AF9th/
http://www.aafha.org/
http://www.web-birds.com/groups.htm
http://www.americainwwii.com/stories/raidinruins.htm
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-map-488048-map_of_ploiesti-i;_ylc=X3oDMTFka28zOGNuBF9TAzI3NjY2NzkEX3MDOTY5NTUzMjUEc2VjA3NzcC1kZXN0BHNsawN0aXRsZQ--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR_80
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_B-534

I found records of 47 B-24 reported lost on 01 Aug 1943.
http://www.armyairforces.com/Databases/MACR/tabid/102/Default.aspx

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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2008, 07:27:08 AM »
Ok, here's one more that might be a workable scenario  :aok

Operation I-Go

Mission - The Japanese daylight air raid on Port Moresby on 12 April, 1943.

http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/japadvance/map_moresby.html

BACKGROUND:  Fearing a recent growth in Allied air power in New Guinea, Admiral Yamamoto decided to commit the full weight of the Imperial Navy carrier-based aircraft to deal with the
threat.  He ordered the units to relocate to land bases at Rabaul, Buin, and Kavieng.  From these bases they would fly with their land based counterparts in a series of major strikes against Allied air forces and shipping throughout the region.  On 03 April, 1943 Admiral Yamamoto flew with his entire combined fleet staff from Truk to Rabaul.

Raid altitude - 25,000 feet bombers in groups of 3 in long line abreast.

Axis Objectives:
- Bomb 3-mile drome 751st and 705th Kokutai
- bomb 7-mile drome (must destroy all fuel dumps) assigned to one chutai of the 705th Kokutai.
- Bomb 17-mile drome 751st and 705th Kokuktai
- Bomb 14-mile drome 751st and 705th Kokutai

Historically the 43 Japnese bombers and 131 fighter escorts were met head on by the Allied fighters from the 4oth and 80th fighter squadrons on the outbound leg. 

NOTES  OF INTEREST:
1) Japan's top ace, Petty Officer First Class Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, was stationed at Vunakanua with the 4th Kokutai and probably took part in this raid. His plane was an A6M2 tail F-108. 
2) The G4M1 was used on two occasions in this operation.

ALLIED FORCES
HQ in Port Moresby (9 degrees 29 minutes South/147 degrees 11 minutes East)

Airfields in the vicinity of Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea

- Kila kila 3-mile drome (fighters and bombers) located North of Joyce Bay 3 miles from Port Moresby.  5,000ft x 100ft

- Ward 5-mile drome (heavy bombers and transports) two parallel 6,00ft x 100ft runways located 5 miles from Port Moresby. Extensive taxi ways and revetments located to the east of the runways.

- Jacksonville 7-mile drome located 7 miles north of Port Moresby.  Three parallel runways (NW/SE) 3,000ft x 100ft fighter runway, a 3,000ft x 150ft bomber runway, and the original center runway. Extensive revetments and taxiways linked it to 5-mile runway.

- Schwimmer "Laloki" 14-mile drome (fighters and medium bombers) Single runway 5,300ft x 100ft.

- Durand "waigani" 17-mile drome (fighters and medium bombers) located 17 miles from Port Moresby next to the waigani swamp. A single runway (NW/SE).  A front line base.  Apparently pilots were afraid to ditch in the swamp as crocodiles were known to inhabit the swamp.

- Rogers "Rarona" 30-mile drome (fighters and medium bombers) A crash strip located 30 miles NW of Port Moresby.

- Fisherman's Island "Daugo" an emergency strip located on a flat rectangular island near Port Moresby.

- flying boat base (keep dreaming) located at Fairfax harbor

Airfields being readied for construction in Port Moresby:
- Berry "Bomana" 12-mile drome (fighters and medium bombers)located 12 miles inland from Port Moresby. Finished in May 1943. A 4,500ft x 150ft runway with 40 dispersal bays and 4 alert areas (hold 15 fighters).

USAAF UNITS
Commander of Allied Air Forces and 5th Air force - Lt General George C. Kenney (MacArthur's Air Chief)

5th Air Force HQ (5-mile)
90th BG 320th bomber squadron (5-mile) B-24
90th BG 321st bomber squadron (5-mile) B-24
374th Troop Carrier Group (5-mile) C-47

43rd BG 63rd bomber squadron (7-mile) B-17E
43rd BG 64th bomber squadron (7-mile) B-17E
43rd BG 65th bomber squadron (7-mile) B-17E
35th FG 40st Fighter Squadron "Fightin Red Devils" (7-mile) P39D Air Cobra

3rd  BG 13th bomber squadron (14-mile) B-25D
49th FG 9th fighter squadron (14-mile) P-40N
35th FG 39th fighter squadron (14-mile) P-38D
6th PRG 8th PRS (14-mile) A-4

3rd   BG 90th bomber squadron (17-mile) B-25D
38th  BG 405th bomber squadron (17-mile) B-25D
49th  FG 7th fighter squadron (17-mile) P-40E or perhaps K
345th BG 499th bomber squadron (17-mile) B-25D

RAAF UNITS
9TH Group 22nd Squadron (5-mile) A-20A Boston
9th Group 30th Squadron (5-mile) A-19 Bristol Beaufighters
number 20 squadron (flying boat base) PBY Catalina (recon and mine laying)
number 11 squadron (flying boat base) PBY Catalina (recon and mine laying)

RADAR - Port Moresby radar RS 412 located on Paga Hill. Maximum range 10,000 ft of 104 miles

AXIS FORCES
Commander Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (HQ in Rabaul 4 degrees 12 minutes South/152 degrees 11 minutes East).

Airfields in Rabaul, Papua New Guinea:

- Lakunai or Rabinijikku  (for bombers and primary strip for fighters. Located on South of Rabaul) Also originally an RAAF strip expanded upon by the Japanese.
- Vunakanau (The primary Japanese airfield.  fighters, originally an RAAF airfield expanded by the Japanese)
- Rapopo (fighters) Located on the coast at Lesson Point off Blanche Bay.  A single concrete runway running N/S 4,350ft long x 670ft wide with 90 bomber sized revetments.
- Malaguna emergency strip Located southwest of Rabaul on the road next to Simpson harbor.

Airfields being readied for construction in Rabaul:

- Kerevat or Tavelo (fighters) Located to the west of Rabaul. Built in Sept 1943. single 4,800 ft runway running E/W along the kerevat river.  Used primarily as an emergency field.
- Tobera (fighters) Located in the south of Rabaul.  Single 3,600ft long x 100ft wide concrete runway constructed by the Japanese (Jul~Aug 1943).  Shortest of all runways.

Axis Aircraft:
IJN Units
751st Kokutai[ Masaichi Suzuki commanding] 17 x G4M1 Betty bombers
705th Kokutai [Lt Cdr Tomo Nakamura] (Vunakanau) 27 x G4M1 Betty bombers
702nd Kokutai (Vunakanau) G4M1 Betty bombers
751st Kokutai (Vunakanau) G4M1 Betty bombers
251st Kokutai (vunakanau) A6M2 Zero

IJA Units
1st Sentai (Vunakanau) KI43 Oscar
11th Sentai (Vunakanau) KI43 Oscar
13th Sentai (Vunakanau) KI61 Tony
4th Kokutai (Lakunai) A6M2 Zeros
68th Sentai (Lakunai)KI61 Tony
78th Sentai (Lakunai) KI61 Tony
81st Sentai (Lakunai) KI46 and KI21 Sally

2nd Carrier divison aircraft sent to Rabaul
IJN Zuikaku aircraft - 23 A6M2 Zeros
IJN Zuiho aircraft - 14 A6M2 Zeros

Rabaul radar - Installed either February or March 1943 with range of 150km's.  It worked in tandem with radar stations in New Ireland and Bougainville.
A6M3 Zeros were retained for the air defense of Rabaul.

References:
Some fantastic wartime maps of airfields and b&w photos of aircraft can be found at these websites.

http://www.pacificwrecks.com/airfields/png/7-mile/1943/04-12/index.html
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/provinces/png_rabaul.html
http://www.aerothentic.com/
http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/japadvance/moresby.html
http://www.adf-serials.com/2a19.shtml
http://raafacs.homestead.com/7acsfrontline.html
http://www.historynet.com/hiroyoshi-nishizawa-japans-world-war-ii-ace-of-aces.htm
http://www.40thsquadron.org/organize.html

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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2008, 09:12:51 AM »
Well thought out ideas, keep em coming.
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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2008, 12:34:29 PM »
 :aok Excellent!  Before I forget, welcome to Aces High (especially AvA).  Ever since I have been noticing your gameID in the AvA arena, I can truly say that I have been feeling more of the old CT (Combat Theater = previous version of AvA) luv :uhoh 

Sorry, that my geography sucks, and I defer to Bruv, but you can count on me to help to at least kick the ball around.  Keep doing what you are doing.  Don't be discouraged by negative posts (sometimes they are the most beneficial in making your ideas, streamline and efficient).

Also, I just read from Pyro's announcement that we will be having a Wiki soon.  This will be awesome for this kind of information.

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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2008, 07:53:35 AM »
Has an event covering JG 27's 20 month tour with Rommel in North Africa ever been done?


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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2008, 12:15:52 PM »
Has an event covering JG 27's 20 month tour with Rommel in North Africa ever been done?



I remember a  africa core map that use to be in the rotation on AvA in the old AH1  I think, with the same planes as we used in the first week of bob.  The early Spit and hurr mrk1's and the first 109's and c-202's I think if I remember right.  It was a really fun map. 

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2008, 06:23:37 AM »
I think I've got the German LW for North Africa right.  Could anyone double check it for me?

1.  Luftflotte 2 (Air Fleet 2)
     a.  Fliegerführer Afrika [Generalmajor Stefan Fröhlich 24 Feb, 1941 ~ April 1942] Lead German air support to Rommel.
     - One HE111P-4 (VG+ES) fully equipped is assigned to these Commanders. (Ref 12)
   
JAGDGESCHWADER "hunting wing"

Notes:
1) Ref 13 (babel fish translation) show Staffel 7./JG 26 in Africa along with Gruppe I/JG 27.
2) Ref 13 (babel fish translation) Dec 1941 Stab, I, II, and II/JG 27 are assigned to Liking fish and Arco with BF109F-4 Trop
3) 10-16 aircraft per Staffel
4) Trop is tropennotausrüstung which is sand filters and sun blinds
5) Ref 10a is an English listing of JG 27 pilots who are listed as MIA.
6) Ref 10a also lists a Staffel 15./JG 27 that was fighting around Istra and  Jachroma , Russia and lost 3 BF109E-7's around Nov~Dec 1941.
7) 10.(J)/JG 27 formed 05 May 1942.
8) Gruppe IV/JG 27 (Staffels 10-12) forms in May 1943 and disbanded 31 Mar 1945.
9) On 12 June 1944 Staffel 15./JG 27 was formed and added to Gruppe IV.
10) Wikipedia list 7./JG 26 as working from bases in Sicily around Feb 1941 then a brief stint in Ain el Gazala.
11) 4 aircraft per Schwarm in finger four formation. 2 aircraft per Rotte

JG 26 Schlageter  [Geschwasder Kommodore Adolf Galland 22 Aug 1940-05 Dec 1941]
- Staffel 7./JG 26 [Hpt Joachim Munchnberg] BF109E-7 (assigned to Ain el Gazala in Jun~ Jul 1941)

JG 27 Afrika (Staff, 3 Gruppe's, 10.(J) and 15.) [Geschwasder Kommodore Major Bernhard Woldenga 21 Jun 1941-10 Jun 1942]

- Gruppenstab JG 27 (<< und <0)  BF109E-3 trop/BF109F-4 Trop

- Gruppe I/JG 27 [Major Eduard "Edu" Neumann 21 Jul 1940-07 Jun 1942] deployed to Ain-el-Gazala for first 8 months with BF109E-7 Trop.
  Staffel 1./JG 27 "weiss" [Oberleutnant's Karl Wolfgang Redlich/Ludwig "Ziskus" Franzisket] 15 pilots         
  Staffel 2./JG 27
  Staffel 3./JG 27 includes Oblt Franzisket, Ltn Marseille

- Gruppe II/JG 27 [Hauptmann Wolfgang Lippert 04 Sep 1940-23 Nov 1941] [23 Nov -25 Dec 1941 Oberleutnant Gustav Rödel] Formed Jan 1940
  Staffel 4./JG 27
  Staffel 5./JG 27 (5 staffel deployed to Ain-el-Gazala) Ref 15 has a photo of them rolling with drop tanks
  Staffel 6./JG 27

- Gruppe  III/JG 27 {Hauptmann Max Dobislov/Hauptmann Erhard Braune] Formed Jul 1940 from I./JG 1
  Staffel 7./JG 27 "arrow through an apple in gun sight"
  Staffel 8./JG 27 "black hand in red circle"
  Staffel 9./JG 27 (Ref 15 doesn't show a Staffel 9 as existing, but Ref 10a shows Staffel 9 aircraft that have crashed in Minsk in 1941.
- JABO 10.(J)/JG 27 May 1942 BF109F-4/B based out of Martuba. In June 1942 they are still somewhere in Africa .
- Staffel 15./JG 27 Formed Jul 1941 a Spanish contingent flying with the Gerschwader

JG 53
- Gruppe III/JG 53  As of June 1942 flying somewhere in North Africa
  Staffel 7./JG 53   BF109F-4
  Staffel 8./JG 53   BF109F-4
  Staffel 9./JG 53   BF109F-4
- JABO 10.(J)/JG 53  BF109F-4/B
 

STURZKAMPFGESCHWADER
Notes:
1)  Confusion!  I'm starting to thing that Gruppe I/StG1 was in Africa in 1941, another Gruppe from StG2 was in Africa in 1941
    and that Gruppe II and III/StG3 arrive in 1942.
2) Ref 13 (babel fish translation) shows I/StG 1 assigned to Derna and II/StG 2 assigned to Tmimi in June 1941
3) Ref 13 shows Stab/StG3, I/StG1, and II/StG2 Stationed in Trapani with JU87G-1 Stukas.
4) Ref 16 shows the loss of two JU87D-3 Trop stukas assigned to II/StG3 on 30 Dec 1942.
5) I/StG 1, Stab/StG3, and I./StG3 are assigned to Lybien in Dec 1941 with JU87B-1 stukas
6) Ref 13 (babel fish translation) shows Stab, I~III/JG 53 in Lybien on Jan 1942 flying BF109F-4.  By Jan 1942 a significant
   number of aircraft are flying missions out of Sicily , Greece , and Crete .
7) Ref 13 (babel fish translation) June 1942 Stub, I~III/StG3 are based somewhere in North Africa flying JU87D-1stukas
8 ) An StG Kette is usually 3 aircraft flying in a V formation

StG 1
- Gruppe I/StG 1 JU87B-1 assigned to Derna June 1941 assigned to Lybien in Dec 1941 with JU87B-1 Stukas

StG 3 [Oberstleutnant Karl Christ /Oberleutnant Walter Siegel] (JU-87D-1/Trop stuka) Based in Derna
- Gruppenstab StG 3 - JU87D-3 und JU87R-4

- Gruppe I/StG 3 JU87D-3
  Staffel 1./StG 3
  Staffel 2./StG 3
  Staffel 3./StG 3 JU87B-2/Trop

- Gruppe II/StG 3 JU87B-1 (assigned to Tmimi in June 1941)
  Staffel 4./StG 3
  Staffel 5./StG 3
  Staffel 6./StG 3

- Gruppe III/StG 3 JU87D-1 und JU87D-3 Trop
  Staffel 7./StG 3 JU87R (S2 + MR)
  Staffel 8./StG 3
  Staffel 9./StG 3
 
ZERSTORERGESCHWADER

Notes:
1) Ref 13 shows III/ZG 26 assigned to Palermo in Jan 1941 with BF110D-3
2) Ref 13 shows III/ZG 26 assigned to Trapani from Jan 1941 to 24 May 1942.  Assigned to Derna 24 May - 30 Jun 1942.
3) Staffel 10./ZG 26 reformed Apr 1942 in Derna.  Disbanded Nov 1943 to become 7./ZG 76
4) Staffel 10./ZG 26 adds JU88C aircraft to their inventory of BF110C.

ZG 26 "Horst wessel" 

Gruppenkommodore - Hptm Thomas Steinberger, 12 Apr - 24 Dec 1941 - Hptm Georg Christl, 25 Dec 1941 - 12 Jul 1943

- Gruppe III/ZG 26
  Gruppestab/ZG 26      BF110C
  Staffel 7./ZG 26   [   ]  BF110C Moved to Derna Dec 1941 replacing Staffel 8./ZG 26.  24 Dec 1941 moves to Sirte.  Feb 1942 returns to Derna.  Later is absorbed by JG76.
  Staffel 8./ZG 26   [   ]  BF110C Detached at Derna Aug - Nov 1942
  Staffel 9./ZG 26   [   ]  BF110C Nov 1941 goes to Malemes, Crete then on 21 Mar 1942 moves to Trapani .
  Staffel 10./ZG 26 [   ]  BF110C  In Derna Apr~Aug 1942.  In Barce Aug~Sep 1942.  In Kastelli Sep~Nov 1942.  In Trapani Nov 1942~Jun 1943.
         

LEHRGESCHWADER
Notes:
1) LG was a Geschwader initially set up to test new equipment under operational conditions and try new tactics. These could fly several types of different aircraft.
2) Ref 13 (babel fish translation) show III/LG 1 assigned to Derna with JU88A-4 Trop in June 1941. By Jan 1942 they will be flying out of Greece and Crete .

LG 1
- Gruppe III/LG 1
  Staffel 7./LG 1
  Staffel 8./LG 1
  Staffel 9./LG 1
  Staffel 12./LG 1   JU88A-4 flying out of Berca in June 1942


NAHAUFKLARER (Main tactical air recon for Rommel in North Africa )

Notes:
1) There is or was a 196 page hard cover book with 400 b&w and color photos covering the air recon in NA. (60 Euros)
2) Aufkl 14 had 6 Staffels assigned.  No know Gruppenkommandeure or Gruppenstab after 1938.
3) Ref 21. Aufkl 14 flew a variety of planes. Somewhere between May ~ Sep 1942 they appear to have transitioned to a mixture of BF109E-7, F4/R3, G-2Trop, G4/R3, F4/G3, G4, and even   
    G6 (Jun 43)

Aufklärungsgruppe 12
- Staffel 4.H/12 "Heer" BF110C-4 flying somewhere in North Africa in Jan 1942

Aufklärungsgruppe 14
- Staffel 2.H/14  BF110E-2 3 4/BF109E-7/HS 126 assigned to Ain-el-Gazala from Mar 1941 ~ Nov 1941.  Assigned to Bir el Gabr Nov 1941.  Assigned to Martuba and Benina in Dec 1941.  Assigned to Arco Philaenorum Dec 1941~Jan 1942.  Assigned to Agedabia Feb 1942.  Assigned to Martuba Mar~Apr 1942.  Rotate back to Germany Apr~Nov 1942 then return to Trapani then Tunis from Nov 1942 ~ Apr 1943 where they would deploy out to some forward staging bases.

AUFKLARUNGSGRUPPE
Notes:
1) The JU88D-1/Trop was a D-1 with sand filters and sun blinds later redesignated D-4.
2) Skinners - See color photo of a D-1 here:  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ju-88_D-1_Trop_2.jpg
3) the Gruppestab for Aufkl 121 was disbanded in June 1940.  Prior to 1940 the Gruppe flew DO17P and HE111H.

Aufklarungsgruppe 121 (comprised of 1~4.(F)/121)  No listing of a Gruppenkommandeur after Jan 1940.
- 1.(F)/121 JU88D-1 assigned in Derna Dec 1940~Jul 1942 as a detachment from Catania

Aufklarungsgruppe 122
- 2.(F)/122 JU88D-1 assigned to Trapani in June 1942

Aufklarungsgruppe 123  [Gruppenkommandeur Maj Gerhard Kopper, 30 Aug 1940 - 17 May 1943] Gruppe 1-6 existed.
- 2.(F)/123 JU88D-1 (4U + FK) assigned to Trapani   Feb ~ June 1941


TRANSPORTGESCHWADER (Transportation aircraft)
Notes:
1) Ref 16 lists the loss of  two JU 52 (26 Dec 1942) and an ME 323 (05 Jan 1943) under (Einsatz Mittelmeer - Afrika)
2) Ref 13 (babel fish translation) list several transport squadrons assigned as of Jan 1942
3) I/F JR 3 moved from Crete to El Dab'a on 12 Aug 1942 for a planned assault on Tobruk. Evacuated on 02 Nov, 1942 for fear of encirclement. 
4) The ME323 is briefly mentioned in a few references associated with North Africa .  Ref 23 discusses this transport plane.

KAMPFGESCHWADER Zur Besonderen Verwendung (KGzbV)

- Gruppe III/KG e.g. Vth 1  JU52/3m, Jan 1942, location assigned unknown
- KGr e.g Vth                   323 ME323, Set up in Aug 1942. Employed in the Mediterranean area for supply of troops in Africa .
- KGr e.g Vth 400             JU52/3m, Jan 1942, location assigned unknown
- Tr.Gr 111                      JU52/3m, Jan 1942, location assigned unknown
- I/F JR 3                        First Batallion Parachute troops

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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2008, 06:33:24 AM »
Sorry,
        I forgot to list the online North Africa references

References:

1) This ref has lots of detailed information about JG 27. 
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/jg27bookextractjw_1.htm

2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdgeschwader_27

3) The organization of JG 27
- http://www.feldgrau.com/JG27.htm

4)  A record of some of the kills reported by JG 27
- http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories/doc/victories-germany-ww2-claims-beaufighter.pdf

5)  Base index North Africa
- http://www.ww2.dk/ground/flibo/basafr.html

6)  http://www.geocities.com/raf_112_sqdn/raf_112_bases_1939_1946.html

7)  RAF No. 112 squadron assignments in North Africa
http://www.mts.net/~royb/112_photos_page_5.html

8)  RAF No. 112 squadron losses
http://www.mts.net/~robhd1a/planelosses.html

9)  Understanding LW markings.  Modeling madness (for LW fighter codes and designations):
- http://modelingmadness.com/codes/codes.htm
- http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/109s/109gallery.htm

10) Bio F. Korner JG 27 pilot "RED 11"
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/Koerner.html

10a) list of JG 27 pilots who are MIA
http://www.luftwaffe.be/miajg27.html

11) StG 3 Axis history
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=2586

12) LW Order of Battle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe_Order_of_Battle_August_1940
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fliegerf%C3%BChrer_Afrika
http://www.ww2.dk/air/hq/afrika.htm

13) Detachment of Gruppe III/ZG 26 to Africa in Jan 1942 (sure wish my German was good)
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Zerstoerergeschwader/ZG26.htm
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?tt=url&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de%2FOrdersofBattle%2FMittelmeer.htm&lp=de_en&.intl=us&fr=yfp-t-501
http://www.ww2.dk/air/zerstorer/zg26.htm

14) BF109F data
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Jagdgeschwader/Inhalt.htm

15) Found the nose art and commanders for each Gruppe in JG 27 along with some good b&w photos of JG 27 for the guys who like to skin.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Jagdgeschwader/Inhalt.htm

16) LW aircraft loss records
http://www.stormbirds.com/eagles/research/original_losses_43/Jan_09_1943.pdf
http://www.stormbirds.com/eagles/research/original_losses_43/Jan_14_1943.pdf

17) Galerie d' histoire
http://www.german-militaria.de/katalog/e10010_23.htm
http://www.german-militaria.de/katalog/e820010_1.htm

18) German Afrikkorp forum in UK
http://www.afrika-korps.co.uk/forum/

19) a fansite for JG 27 (all in German) where players have tried to recreate JG27 for some online sim.
http://jg27.ticat.at/
http://jg27.ticat.at/index.php?cat=08

20) Locations of Aufkl 1.(F)/121
http://www.ww2.dk/air/recon/aufkl121.htm

21) Aircraft of 2.H/14
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/b2ag14.html

22)  FW190 in North Africa (look here for nice photos of FW190 in RLM 74/75/76 and some RLM 79 [sand brown] schemes).
http://rafiger.de/Homepage/FBMuseum/Info-Africa/Info-JG2inAfrica.htm

23) Messerschmitt ME323 Giant
http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=de_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de%2fWaffen%2fMe323.htm

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Re: FUTURE EVENT WISH LIST
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2008, 10:12:29 PM »
Has a siege of Malta (1940-1943) scenario ever been done before?  I think it would satisfy some of the AvA members except for the tank and base capture segment. 

It would, however, place the allied fliers in a mostly defensive roll in this type of event.  But, there could be similar offensive RAF JABO/bomber missions directed at Axis shipping for the purpose of denying supplies to North Africa (Libya).  The fighters should have a range of about 250 miles (400km) allowing them to threaten Sicily and Tripoli.  Bombers based in Malta would have targets like the ports of Palermo, Naples, and Tripoli.  The submarine pens at Augusta, not to mention all the axis shipping.

Next, Italian E-boats (torpedo boats) did a daring raid on Grand harbour (non survived) which might be something that could be recreated or worked in.

First of all there are some fun aircaft available that might make for some good dog fights depending on the timeframe used.  Fore example - BF109E's from 7./JG 26, BF109F's from JG 53 and II/JG 3.  Mid 1941 Hurricane MkII's with cannons, 4th and 51st Stormo Macchi C202's, and Mar 1942 the first Spitfires MK V's start appearing.  JU-87's and JU-88's from II/LG 1, I, II, and III/KG 77, I/KG 54, and Kgr 606 and 806. 

A suitable substitute for Wellington and Blenheim bombers would have to be found.

Plenty of Air attack missions against both merchant and military convoys including CV's, cruisers, and destroyers could be worked into the event.  One historic example would be the Jan 1941 dive bombing of the HMS Illustrious by JU-87's when it arrived in Grand harbour.  Quite a few allied carriers were working in this area and they usually ferried in the new/replacement aircraft for Malta.

If resupply could be worked in so that it only occurred via the safe arrival of ships, then we have a plausible rational for JABO and bomber missions.  If we could turn off field capture, but figure out a way to keep destroyed objects down until a convoy safely arrived this provides for reasons to conduct bombing raids and fly fighter sweeps. 

So I think with some creative thinking this could be a fun event if it were run similarly to a mini event or micro campaign. 


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