Author Topic: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben  (Read 1881 times)

Offline Krusty

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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 03:27:09 PM »
I'm glad the wind direction was tweaked, but I'm still wondering why the wind SPEED is so high even at such low altitude bands. That's rather excessive. These are speeds that might put off combat actions and definitely would screw up any bomb runs attempted.

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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 03:31:58 PM »
I'm glad the wind direction was tweaked, but I'm still wondering why the wind SPEED is so high even at such low altitude bands. That's rather excessive. These are speeds that might put off combat actions and definitely would screw up any bomb runs attempted.

Here are the winds forecast for Raleigh NC today:

FT  3000    6000    9000   12000   18000   24000  30000  34000  39000

RDU 2719 2424+08 2431+03 2539-03 2267-13 2385-26 730041 732049 753055

Winds are:

19 knots at 3000
24 knots at 6000
31 knots at 9000
39 knots at 12000
67 knots at 18000
85 knots at 24000

...etc.

Perhaps not a normal day above Raleigh, but completely feasible IMO.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2008, 03:34:16 PM by Stoney »
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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2008, 03:42:05 PM »
But this setup isn't over North Carolina :)
Isn't that area known for high winds (one reason Kittyhawk was so popular for early aviation gliders?)

It just seems excessive, is all.

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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2008, 04:02:45 PM »
Would this help?

http://www.windfinder.com/windreports/windkarte_fr.htm

I don't understand the terms or really how to read it. I can gather a few details here and there, but maybe other folks will understand it more. This is for today, I think.

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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2008, 05:16:22 PM »
Would this help?

How do you read it? What is Bft? A Doom Acronym comes to mind.

Found it online.
mph      kph      m/s     Beaufort      Description*
0-1    0-2    0-0.6    0    Calm
1-3    2-6    0.6-1.7    1    Light air
4-7    7-11    1.9-3.1    2    Light breeze
8-11    12-19    3.3-5.3    3    Gentle breeze
12-18    20-30    5.6-8.3    4    Moderate breeze
19-24    31-39    8.6-10.8    5    Fresh breeze
25-31    40-50    11.1-13.9    6    Strong breeze
31-38    50-61    13.9-16.9    7    Near gale
38-47    61-74    16.9-20.5    8    Gale
47-56    75-87    20.8-24.2    9    Strong gale
56-65    88-101    24.4-28.1    10    Storm
65-76    102-117    28.3-32.5    11    Violent storm
>76    >118    >32.7    12    Hurricane
« Last Edit: April 28, 2008, 06:08:31 PM by Nefarious »
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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2008, 07:27:17 PM »
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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2008, 07:59:50 PM »
But this setup isn't over North Carolina :)
Isn't that area known for high winds (one reason Kittyhawk was so popular for early aviation gliders?)

It just seems excessive, is all.

Just used that as an example.  Remember, we're not talking about surface winds.  Kitty Hawk is popular because the dune is right on the beach, and benefits from the surface winds created by the ocean.

But, for comparison here's Dallas, TX:

FT  3000    6000    9000   12000   18000   24000  30000  34000  39000

DAL 2514 3217+11 3427+04 3225+00 3235-14 3328-26 334642 334752 345662

You're still looking at 30+ mph winds at 9000 feet, nearly 40 mph winds at 18000 feet, etc.

You can find the forecast upper level winds for the entire US at http://aviationweather.gov/products/nws/winds/ if you want to check other cities or regions...
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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2008, 10:30:05 PM »
If I ever design another FSO I am turning winds off.














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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2008, 12:48:11 AM »
Veering (clockwise with height) winds indicate an existing or approaching high pressure system generally producing clearing or fair skies.

Backing (counter clockwise with height) winds indicate an existing or approaching low pressure system generally producing inclement weather.

All weather disturbances in the northern hemisphere from the small scale dust devil to the larger scale hurricane/typhoon and low pressure system/cyclone rotate counter clockwise.

Fair weather systems in the northern hemisphere, high pressure systems/anticyclones rotate clockwise.


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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2008, 01:02:11 AM »
We're so proud of him "sniff",  all that money the squad gave to his college fund is starting to pay off  :aok

I like how he has evaded the question about his real life accuracy in weather forecasting.

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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2008, 04:58:27 AM »
I like how he has evaded the question about his real life accuracy in weather forecasting.

:lol

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ROFL... I don't mind at all. From time to time I have to submit that data when selling my services to prospective clients.

My main base of operations is western Pennsylvania. My accuracy rate for the first day forecast ranges from 92% to 98%, and from 70% to 86% for the 5th day of the forecast. The deviation is season dependant. Spring is the hardest season to forecast, Fall is the easiest.
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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2008, 07:06:00 AM »
If I ever design another FSO I am turning winds off.


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Don't make me slap you.  :rofl
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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2008, 12:15:11 PM »
So what he's saying is if you live in western pennsylvania blame AKwxman for the forcast that's incorrect. :rofl You should hear him give us predictions on sorties. 10% chance of dieing with a 50% chance of engaging the enemy and a 40% chance of making it home with the fuel we took. :P
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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2008, 12:48:31 PM »
ROFL... I don't mind at all. From time to time I have to submit that data when selling my services to prospective clients.

My main base of operations is western Pennsylvania.

Do you sell it to the News Media? KDKA, WTAE, etc...?
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Re: Der Kanalkampf: Donner von Oben
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2008, 04:51:10 AM »
Do you sell it to the News Media? KDKA, WTAE, etc...?

WTAE TV and Radio were clients for 20+ years. Currently our local media outlet is KQV Radio.
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