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Offline Hornet33

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #600 on: July 07, 2008, 08:18:29 AM »
Well the other nice thing about Texas law is that a criminal nor his family members can sue you if you shoot them while they are comitting a crime, so if someone is running off with you stuff, just aim a little low. #4 shot into the back of the calves and they aren't going anywhere, nobody dies, you keep your stuff, the cops get their man, the crook goes to jail when they get out of the hospital, you don't get sued, and all is good.

Of course that's if you have a shotgun handy. I wouldn't go aiming for the legs with a handgun, but then again I would never grab my handgun in a home defense situation either. For me I have to fall back on my LE training from the Coast Guard and that is, "The minimum force needed to compell compliance".
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #601 on: July 09, 2008, 02:38:44 PM »
enough of that case..  what do you guys think about the price of ammo lately?

Tempt any of you to start reloading?

lazs

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« Reply #602 on: July 09, 2008, 03:11:39 PM »
Some folks do NOT have the intelligence to own a firearm unfortunately.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377861,00.html

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #603 on: July 09, 2008, 03:24:30 PM »
Rip, when I first saw your post, I thought I'd be duplicating it. Sorry to have read about that one you posted. That's awful.  Here's one less horrible... but just as stupid.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,378142,00.html
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #604 on: July 09, 2008, 03:56:55 PM »
I would love to be able to buy and own guns like in the US. We are so limited with what we can have without having many PROBES :O. But we are alowed to have folding stocks???? :huh
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #605 on: July 10, 2008, 07:56:21 AM »
rip and mom..   both those stories sound fishy.   It is almost impossible for a modern revolver to go off if dropped.. they simply won't go off unless the trigger is pulled back. 

As for the other..

Most gun "accidents" are to cover a crime or.. something really even more stupid.  Like pointing a loaded gun at something you don't want to shoot while your finger is on the trigger.   For whatever reason.. it just plays better if you say you were "cleaning the gun"  or it went off when it was dropped.

You don't want to say that you lost your temper and shot someone or that you were trying to scare someone and pulled a little tooooo hard on the trigger for instance.  better you were cleaning the gun.

How do you clean a fully assembled and loaded gun?

lazs

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #606 on: July 10, 2008, 08:45:39 AM »
enough of that case..  what do you guys think about the price of ammo lately?

Tempt any of you to start reloading?

lazs

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #607 on: July 10, 2008, 08:49:35 AM »
Wife of police chief shoots at, chases down husband

talk about abuse of the 2nd Amendment?

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69162
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #608 on: July 11, 2008, 08:54:09 AM »
What abuse of the 2nd would you be refering too?
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« Reply #609 on: July 11, 2008, 09:47:13 AM »
What abuse of the 2nd would you be refering too?

Did you read the article?

Using a firearm to try to settle domestic problems is NOT the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

She was NOT threatened or attacked by her husband!

At least such is NOT stated in the article....

Domestic violence was NOT started by her husband and was NOT an issue.....

In the article she got angry at her husband for something and resorted to using a firearm..........

That IMHO is abusing the right of keeping and bearing a firearms .....
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« Reply #610 on: July 11, 2008, 10:08:38 AM »
Sorry but I can't make the leap that anything she did abused the 2nd. Everything she did was illegal, but an abuse of the 2nd? It could only be an abuse if she uses the 2nd as her deffense and gets away with it. Then I would have to agree with you, but until that happens she just did a bunch of illegal things and used a gun to do them.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #611 on: July 11, 2008, 11:26:53 AM »
Sorry but I can't make the leap that anything she did abused the 2nd. Everything she did was illegal, but an abuse of the 2nd? It could only be an abuse if she uses the 2nd as her deffense and gets away with it. Then I would have to agree with you, but until that happens she just did a bunch of illegal things and used a gun to do them.

HMMMM..........

OK here is the problem.......

You don't see it as abuse BUT the media and the gun control crowd LEAP on stuff like this!

So it doesn't matter if it actually is or isn't abuse of her 2nd Amendment rights in that it CAN, and usually is, viewed by many as such.

The argument will be.... she has a right, BUT she misused or abused that right by doing or using that right as she did.

Seen it, or arguments like it, in the media many times.  Although until now it has NOT been stated she had the right to keep and bear arms.

The approach is to destroy or remove something or a right by constantly DEMONIZING that issue.

Such actions are a GODSEND to those using that technique.

People can't be trusted to use their rights properly so those rights MUST BE TAKEN AWAY!

The actions of the few are used to destroy the credibility and or rights of others.

Goes all the way back to the if it saves one life crap! (Even though it often cost 10 lives in the long run)

Or it's for the children. (yea right!)

The media has many soooo muddled over all this stuff that far too many just nod their heads and go along with it.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #612 on: July 11, 2008, 12:28:24 PM »
HMMMM..........

You don't see it as abuse BUT the media and the gun control crowd LEAP on stuff like this!


The media and the gun control crowd will LEAP on anything from a wind change to a mouse fart.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #613 on: July 11, 2008, 03:17:22 PM »
rip and mom..   both those stories sound fishy.   It is almost impossible for a modern revolver to go off if dropped.. they simply won't go off unless the trigger is pulled back. 

As for the other..

Most gun "accidents" are to cover a crime or.. something really even more stupid.  Like pointing a loaded gun at something you don't want to shoot while your finger is on the trigger.   For whatever reason.. it just plays better if you say you were "cleaning the gun"  or it went off when it was dropped.

You don't want to say that you lost your temper and shot someone or that you were trying to scare someone and pulled a little tooooo hard on the trigger for instance.  better you were cleaning the gun.

How do you clean a fully assembled and loaded gun?

lazs

I 100% agree with Lazs here.  Modern firearms are VERY hard to setoff without pulling the trigger.

There are several semi-automatics that require the trigger be pulled to disassemble them. (Glock, and Springfield XD minus the new "XD(M)"are  two I know require the "hammer to be down").  If you fail to check the load status of the firearm before disassembly, this can lead to a "negligent discharge".  Note, I did not say "accidental discharge" as the trigger is pulled intentionally.

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #614 on: July 12, 2008, 04:20:07 AM »
Lazs concerning reloading.  I used to reload my 12 ga. shotgun shells for trap and skeet shooting.  Since I've moved to an Apartment I don't think storing powder etc. is a very good idea.  Great area....I live in a Park and watch Deer walk through the complex.

I've not priced powder etc. in a long time.
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