General Gun Discussion

[Dago]

Went to VERY thin drip panels and problem solved.

You drip when shooting?   

[wrag]

You drip when shooting?   

OOOPS typo ment Grip panels......

[lazs2]

I don't like the rubber grips that are "sticky"  they stick to your clothes and hang up on stuff.  I have large hands so most handguns, the grips are too small..  I am one of the few who liked the old smith and wesson magna grips.

I like wood or stag.   For my Kimber and ruger 44 I have stag grips which are a bit thicker than wood and let my hand fit the gun better.  The stag grips also give me a better grip on the gun.  I like Ivory but it has to be carved with something to fill the palm like the old Keith style.   Ivory, wood and stag all feel better than any other material.



lazs

[Lizard3]

I guess my hands are kinda medium. They wrap around the grip good, but its got no checkering on the front and my pinky kinda hangs off the bottom. When I got a firm two handed grip I shot a good 6 inches left. Also, my trigger finger was ending up in strange places after the shot. Well, not REAL strange, just not where it started out at. I like what you said about the sticky grips catching on clothes Lazs, as this will be my carry all the time pistol, so I may go with a one piece hogue wood grip. That would probably solve most of my problems. Now, I just hafta choose between like 8 different types of wood. HAHA

[lazs2]

Yep.. because my fingers are so long (my hands are not really so much big as they are long)   My trigger finger will protrudes way too far through.. it tends to make me pull shots unless I concentrate on trigger finger placement.   

lazs

[Rich46yo]

Exactly. I got ,mine a few weeks ago. Love it. I shoot it a little left, but I'm working on it.

It jumps around a bit with that short barrel, so I was thinking of getting a grip with those pronounced finger groves on front. Anyone have any suggestions? Yea or neigh, wood or rubbery, pach or hogue?

If your pulling left, assuming the sights are OK, your issue is probably with grip and/or trigger squeeze.

You could try rubber grips but the compact .45 is still going to buck some. Shoot it an awful lot and get used to it. If you should have to use it in anger you wont notice the barrel jump.

[lazs2]

Yep.. dry firing is about the best thing you can do.. notice where the sights go when you dry fire.   Too much finger will make you pull high and to the left.

handguns are difficult to shoot well.   The more ammo you burn up the better off you will be.

lazs

[wrag]

Yep.. dry firing is about the best thing you can do.. notice where the sights go when you dry fire.   Too much finger will make you pull high and to the left.

handguns are difficult to shoot well.   The more ammo you burn up the better off you will be.

lazs

A little warning here!  RE: DRY FIRING.........

Snap caps or something that will catch the firing pin MAY be in order here!!!

On SOME firearms dry firing can result in damage to the firearm.

This is probably most true with OLDER firearms.........

[Excel1]

dry firing centrefires occasionally without using snap caps usually wont cause much problem, at least i've never had any. but a lot of rimfires can be less forgiving when the firing pin slams into the face of the chamber, a broken pin or marred chamber can be the result.

[Rich46yo]

One good way to practice, that is if you have a handgun with a flat enough top, is to center a quarter on top of the frame, get and keep your sight picture, and practice dry fireing/trigger control while balancing the coin on top and not dropping it.

[wrag]

dry firing centrefires occasionally without using snap caps usually wont cause much problem, at least i've never had any. but a lot of rimfires can be less forgiving when the firing pin slams into the face of the chamber, a broken pin or marred chamber can be the result.

These were both OLDER firerams.

I purchased both used.  Got fairly good deals on em both and they functioned well until I dry fired em some.  Think the problem was probably already there and just got worse with my use.

Had an older Hammerelli? (spelling) single action 45 that developed a bulge where the firing pin came through the frame.  This was the older style with the firing pin attached to the hammer.  The kind you did not carry 6 rounds with.  That bulge was so bad it made cocking the hammer difficult from drag against the brass. Required repair.

Similar problem developed with an older colt commander and a bulge where the the firing pin came through the frame/chamber would part of the time cause a hang feed with the cartridge rim up against the bulge.  Required repair.

I'm fairly sure the NEWER production firearms with the transfer bars and other innovations have far fewer dry fire damage problems.

[lazs2]

dry firing a 22 rimfire is not a good idea.  You will ruin the chamber by peening over some metal with the firing pin.   Handguns with the firing pin on the hammer and a bushing in the frame should be ok..  I have never had a problem but if you are worried then use a snap cap.

lazs

[FrodeMk3]

I ran across something in a G & A magazine article, and I'd like to hear what some of you reloaders' think about the differences' between Mil-spec 5.56mm NATO and commercial grade .223.

The article stated that there is a difference between the lead in the chambers, because .223 rifles' use a SAAMI-grade chamber, and 5.56mm chambers' are Mil-spec. Evidently, it's safe to use .223 in a Mil-spec chamber, but using Mil-spec 5.56mm in a commercial .223 rifle increases' the chances of having something like a Primer-pocket blowout, or blown cartridge-case heads. I'm asking because I've gotten some reloaded ammo that was using 5.56mm mil-spec cases, and I'm not sure if I want to shoot them in my Ruger ranch rifle.

[Toad]

Relatively clear explanation here:

5.56 VS .223 Ammunition and Chamber Dimensions

http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/556-223-Ammunition-Chamber-Dimensions-t22582.html

Using commercial .223 cartridges in a 5.56-chambered rifle should work reliably, but generally will not be as accurate as when fired from a .223-chambered gun due to the excessive leade. [3] Using 5.56 mil-spec cartridges (such as the M855) in a .223-chambered rifle can lead to excessive wear and stress on the rifle and even be unsafe, and the SAAMI recommends against the practice.[4] Some commercial rifles marked as ".223 Remington" are in fact suited for 5.56 mm, such as many commercial AR-15 variants and the Ruger Mini-14, but the manufacturer should always be consulted to verify that this is acceptable before attempting it, and signs of excessive pressure (such as flattening or gas staining of the primers) should be looked for in the initial testing with 5.56 mm ammunition.
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[Mister Fork]

I spent 10 years in the military.  Combat veteran. Two special service force tours.  Yet I don't own a gun, rifle, slingshot,  bow/arrow... heck, I don't even own a knife anymore.  I know to respect and fear firearms at the same time - I've seen what they can do from personal experience.

In Canada, our firearms crime is a mere fraction of the USA.  Yet we own almost as many weapons per civilian as our southern neighbors.  Why is the USA's firearms crime rampant?  Could it be a simple lack of social programs to help the poor? Is poverty the #1 killer of our kids, and the #1 feeder for gangs?

Guns and rifles are just a weapon.  A butter knife can be a lethal weapon (well, maybe in my hands - but u guys get the point).

If I was a citizen of the USA, I'd be screaming for my local congressman to start properly funding welfare, abortion, mental health, job training, and other programs aimed 100% at the poor.  And you guys also need health care for the poor too - 100% free health care for anyone unemployed, homeless, single parent and lower income families.  Some of you are probably saying 'we got welfare programs, wtf are u talking about fork.'  Compared to Canada, the USA spends as much on social programs as a % of GDP as we do on our military... and that's pretty sad.  For those of you thinking about the word 'Socialism' - WFT is wrong with taking care of your people?  Canada's figured it out - we're a capitalistic country too but we've managed to balance the needs of our people first, business second.

Canada is in the top 5 for spending on social programs and we have some of the best educated kids, one of the highest age for life expectancy, top five for the lowest deaths of infants and by the UN, considered one of the safest, best places to live in the world.

The US is near the bottom of the top 20 list for industrialized nations. How is that possible for the most wealthy country in the world? Because taking care of your poor has slipped off the radar.

So when one of my Canuck friends starts pointing too many guns and rifles as issues in the USA, point them to the missing social spending.  Guns and rifles are just a tool for hunting, for others a hobby for collecting.  They are not the issue - poverty is.

BTW - I'm breaking my 'no weapons' rule and getting my Firearms + Restricted license.  I'm being given a scoped 308 & a 303, a 12 gauge, and a 16 gauge from my in-law.  Hunting season is coming and I love deer and moose meat.