Tank destroyers

[flyboy96]

TDs don't have much armor but are a little faster.(the fastest would be the M18 Hellcat)And just because they aren't in the movies or most TV shows doesn't mean they don't exist.Watch Tank Overhaul and they might show you the M18.

[MiloMorai]

wow sorry guys...   ive never heard of tank destroyers before... i thought thats what other tanks were for... whats the difference? and i never saw one in all the movies and history channel ive seen...

American TDs

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=ss2036&Submit3=Go

[Wyld45]

OK IM not a platinum or gold or silver member, but here goes, we need tank destroyers in this game.  The russians and germans really had alot of variety and actually specialized in this field.  A SU85 would probably be the best all around(since we do not have a t 34/85) in this game at present time.  A su 100 or 122 would be a perk vehicle and would make the firefly obsolete.  Also a jagdpanther or (heaven forbid) jagdtiger would make it the gv of choice and also perk.  So we have the cz 38, a 75mm open turret vehicle, or is my memory wrong and too lazy to look it up a 75 mm panzer III?  (jagdpanzer?)  Opinions welcome but usually not tolerated(S)

                        Teufl,with a post like that,you just went from "Zinc" to "Gold". Well posted!   

[RTHolmes]

Watch Tank Overhaul and they might show you the M18.

Ive seen that one, this vet gets to command his hellcat again after the resto. just awesome

[BigPlay]

Everyone is forgetting one thing about the American TD's. All  the games current main battle tanks can kill them one shot . It wouldn't be much different from a Firefly with excepting of speed. The SU-88, SU-100 or German Jadpanther would at least have a little more battlefield survivability than an M-10 or M-18 plus a lot lower profile.

[spit16nooby]

I don't think that country really matters in the GV field right now because none of the countries have fleshed out sets.  The best one is probably the US with the M3 M8 and Firefly(which really is pretty much british) the americans dont really have a true tank that is purely american.  So give me a gv from any country

[sirvlad]

A few  of those easy to kill french tanks  need added. Don`t need to be a great big tank that kills everything it comes up against. The junky ones can be fun to, like the m8 is.

[BigPlay]

I don't think that country really matters in the GV field right now because none of the countries have fleshed out sets.  The best one is probably the US with the M3 M8 and Firefly(which really is pretty much british) the americans dont really have a true tank that is purely american.  So give me a gv from any country

What do you call a Sherman. The Firefly is all American with exception of the gun. The 76mm HV American gun was almost as capable as the British 19 pounder. The problem was there were only 100 or so Shermans that landed at Normandy with this gun. Also the HVAP rounds were few and always at a shortage . There is also the Pershing. Problem with that is it came late in the war.

[321BAR]

well personally i would like some american tds, such as the m10 or the m18

Yeah guys, we just had a thread in wishlist for TD's, try to keep that one going

[E25280]

What do you call a Sherman. The Firefly is all American with exception of the gun. The 76mm HV American gun was almost as capable as the British 19 pounder. The problem was there were only 100 or so Shermans that landed at Normandy with this gun. Also the HVAP rounds were few and always at a shortage . There is also the Pershing. Problem with that is it came late in the war.

First, it is the 17 pounder, not 19. 

Second, no, the US 76mm was not comparable to the 17 pounder by a long shot (no pun intended).  I am sure sources will vary somewhat, but the quick/easy one I use shows the 17 pounder penetration at 1000 meters is 115mm with standard AP vs. 83mm with the US M1A2 76mm gun.  True, HVAP get the penetration of the US gun to 137mm -- but the APDS round for the 17 pounder moves its penetration to 185mm.  The 17 pounder is better than the US gun by at least 35%.

The US gun is more on par with the PzkwIV(H)'s 75mm gun.

[teufl]

Well yes with the 17 pounder over the 76, by quite a bit.  The US tankers were begging for 1 per tank regiment(which was the standard for the Brits) but were well DENIED!   However we havent talked about the m36, the m10 with a 90 mm gun, well AH is a plane game, BUT  how many times you been takin out by 1 or 2 shots and say Heck didnt even see the guy.  So TDs are very important to the game.  But with the 37 mm IL2, heck open topped tanks, which we have none of(not talkin bout the super WW or ostie, it would be a matter of how they are modeled and all TD's had 50 cal aa in turret.   And TY for the move to Gold, just rather fly then be in here<S>

[glock89]

Stug would be nice to have.

[BoSoxFan]

Throw in the Su-152 and I'm all for it.

The Su-152 was a self propelled gun not a tank destroyer.

[BigPlay]

First, it is the 17 pounder, not 19. 

Second, no, the US 76mm was not comparable to the 17 pounder by a long shot (no pun intended).  I am sure sources will vary somewhat, but the quick/easy one I use shows the 17 pounder penetration at 1000 meters is 115mm with standard AP vs. 83mm with the US M1A2 76mm gun.  True, HVAP get the penetration of the US gun to 137mm -- but the APDS round for the 17 pounder moves its penetration to 185mm.  The 17 pounder is better than the US gun by at least 35%.

The US gun is more on par with the PzkwIV(H)'s 75mm gun.

according to the allied gun penatration chart I have it's comprable up to 2000 yards then it falls off, but tank battles on the westen front were done at closer ranges than on the Russian stepps .

[Angus]

Not intending to steal the thread, but wouldn't self propelled artie be an idea?