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Offline Lusche

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2008, 06:40:06 PM »
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Yes, nobody is able to reproduce landings on turning CV's

And yes, sometimes I do crash too, but that's my own fault, usualy for getting careless & sloppy or simply not paying attention.

And again, locking a CV just because some is taking off or landing will quickly put the CV on the bottom of the cartoon ocean. Your enemy SB gunners or bomber pilots will be thankful.
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2008, 07:56:22 PM »
If the CV is turning dont land, that was a problem in real life too when a CV was under attack, so too bad, why should HTC install some silly auto landing system for folks who have no patience? Some of you guys wont be happy untill AH is some joke with homing bullets and combat auto pilots, so you dont have to strain yourselves.

CV landing is a SKILL, sorry thats "inconveniant".
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2008, 07:58:07 PM »
For something so easily "practiced" and "adusted" for... i see DOZENS of planes CRASHING every night trying to land and take off from turning carriers.   Some of these pilots may be NEW to carrier operations, but they ALL arn't inexperienced and unpracticed pilots.  That bucket just doesn't hold any water.   I've heard plenty of people in this game claim they can do all kind of things nobody else seems to be able to reproduce. 

Taking off and landing with the CV turning isn't especially difficult.

The primary reason guys crash when taking off from a turning CV is ignorance. Yep, ignorance. Fortunately, ignorance can be cured with some simple training. The biggest problem is that many want instant gratification and make little effort to learn. Practice is work and work is to be avoided at all cost. You cannot shortcut the learning curve. Either you take the time to learn all aspects, or you just become another gamer with no life expectancy whatsoever. 

One factor not mentioned is that guys who cannot get airborne from a turning CV are equally unlikely to return anyway.

Go offline and practice, or come to the TA and get instruction.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2008, 08:01:09 PM »
 Go to TA,there are 2 sepperate areas where you can practice in.
 Take control of CV and plot a course,then use whatever CV plane
 you want and practice.Maybe even ask for help.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2008, 08:29:13 PM »
    The fix is SIMPLE
Yeah, don't land on a carrier, or wait until it stops turning.
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2008, 08:36:41 PM »
Yeah, don't land on a carrier, or wait until it stops turning.

I second that.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2008, 08:50:12 PM »
i see DOZENS of planes CRASHING every night trying to land and take off from turning carriers. 
You must of been watching me then  :D
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2008, 08:53:27 PM »
I've taken off and landed rather easily on turning carriers.... Heck, I've landed 109's on turning carriers, backed up, rearmed, and taken off again. It's honestly pretty easy once you've got a feel for it.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2008, 10:12:53 PM »
     If you want to go real life with air operations on a CV, you might as well forget taking off
and landing when you feel like it.  Aircraft were launched and recovered in groups, usually with
the battle group turned into the wind.
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2008, 11:13:32 PM »
The dozens of planes crashing all the time are the noobs that want training wheels, that don't LOOK first to see if the CV is turning or not, and want to world handed to them on a silver platter.

There is NOTHING wrong with the system we have right now for taking off and landing. If you can't manage to get off the deck or back on the deck maybe you should stay away from the CV's as you don't qualify as a Naval Aviator. Go back to flight school and come back when you learn how to fly correctly.
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2008, 03:13:24 AM »
    Exactly Rino.  Real Carriers DO NOT make 180 degree course changes while aircraft are TAKING OFF or LANDING.   So it isn't the ocean in AH that's cartoonish, it's the carrier planes crashing, smashing into the carrier and plunging into the ocean by the dozens that are UNREALISTIC AND CARTOONISH. 
    Again. There's NO WAY to practice taking off from a turning carrier and i'm not going to waste my internet time trying to prove to myself someone can.   Put 1,500 lbs of bombs on a plane or a 2,000 lb torpedo on a plane and try it just ONCE.  You won't need any more PRACTICE than that to learn how to CRASH a plane.
     It's not about rudders and ailerons.  It's about Cruisers and Destroyers speeding across the bow of a Carrier at 40 knots because the CV is turning while planes are taking off.  And watching friendly aircraft smash into their own combat ships.  THAT'S CARTOONISH.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2008, 03:16:34 AM »
taking off from a turning carrier fully loaded with ord is not a problem. if you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you should be able to handle taking off. :aok




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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2008, 04:00:43 AM »
Steven, granted carriers IRL do not make course changes while aircraft operations are in progress.
However you conveniently left out the key point of Rhinos' post. Carriers in real life operate with launch and recovery windows outside of which launching and recovery of aircraft unless it is an emergency situation is not possible. Something we do not do in Aces High. In order to allow for continuous carrier operations at will we have a happy compromise, it's called use your own common sense (OMG!).
Now taking off and landing from a turning carrier is nigh on impossible in an American aircraft. I almost never make it off but I've seen it done, Landing is generally not as hard but landing on a turning deck is easy to misjudge. I have done both in Japanese aircraft and seafires.
Unless I'm out of fuel and dead-sticking it in, I'll wait until the carrier stops turning. It's also easy to wait until the carrier stops turning to roll, just look left an right, the wake from the escort vessels will shoe you the way.
Landing is actually not as hard as it seems. You have to fly it in to the deck, line up on the far end of the carrier and maintain a level descent until you hit the deck and you will soon feel the reassuring thump of your wheels on the deck. As soon as you hit push your throttle full forward and hit your WEP in case you miss the wires so you can get back up and go around, if you get the wire you will stop.
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2008, 04:12:50 AM »
Practice makes perfect; not whining.
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2008, 08:03:09 AM »
   You can't practice dodging a destroyer that comes barrelling across the bow of a CV while you are taking off because some idiot turned the carrier.  You're ten feet off the water doing 140 miles an hour and here comes the Destroyer.  BAM !  It's OVER.  You can play with the rudders and ailerons all you want..  you're goin swimming. 
    Yes in real life situations CV's suspended air operations while they were under attack and evading.  Everybody knows what happened to the returning Japanese planes at Midway.  And yes. The pilots were NOT incharge of the CV's evasive maneuvers.  Which brings up a good point.  Why is that the case in Aces High ? 
    Like i said. It's a simple fix.  If a running plane is on the flight deck, the CV can't be turned.  If a plane puts its tailhook down.. The CV can't be turned until the plane is recovered.  That way pilots who wanna be admirals arn't screwing up the take offs and landings of other pilots.