Only Newt Gingrich can beat Obama..and he's not running.

[bj229r]

ok...bear withg me here? i've been so disgusted with politics for so long i haven't been following too much. but if hillary beat this guy in the debates, then why/how did he manage to get the nomination?

He won nearly ALL the straw polls, which Hillary's people didn't seem to think mattered. After some actual information got out about him (Reverend Wright, etc) Hillary won 7 of the last 13 primaries, crushing him in several

[midnight Target]

Yep, he concentrated on the caucus States that Hillary's people were convinced didn't matter. Much easier to put together a few thousand loyal followers than to win a primary.

[lazs2]

Ahh... so the mighty hillary didn't lose... "her people" lost?

She is one of the most abrasive people on the planet.. she can't even win when she is running against another democrat.   A racist, liberal socialist worse than her even.

lazs

[Hap]

Considering we are now as a nation... more interested in style over substance, and treat the election process more like american idol...I think the Newtster could pull off a win.

Remind me, what is Bush's style?

Sure let Newt run!  Along with Mac, Lazs, and RPM and MT.

[lazs2]

No way could I run for any office.   I would scare the women and the womenly men.  I would be unrepentent.

Nope.. what we get for candidates these days are like the bad guys in some Ayn Rand novel.

lazs

[midnight Target]

Ahh... so the mighty hillary didn't lose... "her people" lost?

She is one of the most abrasive people on the planet.. she can't even win when she is running against another democrat.   A racist, liberal socialist worse than her even.

lazs

OK lazs, she hired them so I guess she lost. I hope you feel better now.

OTOH, if the dems collected delegates using the same plan as the republicans, Hillary wins. Based on electorial votes, Hillary wins. Based on majority of votes cast, Hillary wins. So your contention that it was her abrasivness that cost her the campaign is just a little silly. She certainly had the support necessary to win, just a flawed strategy.

[Hap]

No way could I run for any office.   I would scare the women and the womenly men.  I would be unrepentent.

Nope.. what we get for candidates these days are like the bad guys in some Ayn Rand novel.

lazs

Nope what we get is because, maybe, guys like you don't run.  Come on Lazs, time to cowboy up

Sides, the O'Clubbers would have a hoot.

[lazs2]

It would be funny.. be like when they run some hooker or some negro guy caught in a cocaine and hooker orgy.

Mine would all be in the past tho but..  Like I said.. I would be unrepentant.    Not sure what I could run for tho given my past record.   

Imagine.. just for instance.. the first time I used the word negro.   Imagine how my "arrest the employers" as an illegals solution would go over.

Imagine my views on women in the workplace and affirmative action paraded out...

Hell..  just from this board there would be reams of stuff that all the wussies would have a hissy fit over.

lazs

[ZetaNine]

Remind me, what is Bush's style?

Sure let Newt run!  Along with Mac, Lazs, and RPM and MT.

Is? or was at the time he ran?

[midnight Target]

lazs isn't pretty enough, he'd have to use me as his veep to get the chick vote.

[Hap]

[lazs2]

MT.. that picture of you in drag that you sent did not help your case in the least.

I admit that I am not pretty tho.    high mileage and none of em were easy miles.

But MT..  I believe that hillary still lost in the popular vote of democrats did she not?    She also did not get enough delegates.   I have seen the math in several places now... can you show me a site where they say she really won?

lazs

[midnight Target]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html



   
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*  -

Obama - 17,869,542 47.4%
Clinton - 18,046,007 47.9%   

[lazs2]

so they didn't even count some states...

I think also that the republican surge voting for her because she was so beatable had a lot to do with what is a very flawed popular vote.

Still..  I wonder why I got from the MS story a while back that she had less of the popular vote.

In any case..  just another election screwed up and whined about by the party of sore losers.

lazs

[Fury]

The real number to use is
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*   

Obama: 17,869,542    48.2%
Clinton: 17,717,698    47.8%   
Spread: Obama +151,844 +0.4%

It's only fair to completely remove Michigan from the picture and use the numbers with the yellow highlight.  That site includes the votes for Clinton, but zero for Obama because his name was not on the ballot.  I'm not saying he would have won, but "Uncommited" did get 238,168 versus 328,309 for Clinton, and that site does not put any of those 200 thousand into the Obama camp.

It's a fairly good assumption that if his name were actually on the ballot and that site counted the names, she would not be able to claim popular vote victory.


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