Help with the proper times to use rudder in a turnfight. (P-38)

[bongaroo]

I usually can only spin out the p38 by using too much rudder when coming over the top of a loop.  As I'm coming down if I kick the rudder too hard it'll throw the AoA real far off sometimes resulting in a spin.  I've gotten a much better feel for the p38 now and can avoid entering the spin.

I did enter enough spins to learn that killing your engines will help you get your nose down, popping flaps out will help sometimes too.  I've also been able to enter such intense spins that there is no recovery possible.
 
The moral of this story is just keep at it and not only will you be able to get a feel for how to use your rudder, you'll know what the p38 doesn't want you to do too.

[goober69]

i find myself geting the flast spin real easy by trying to go straight up with flaps out and it flops you over on your back and youll be in inverted flat spin. i can never get out of that one.

[Ack-Ack]

If you're getting into a spin just by kicking full rudder at the top of a vertical maneuver, something is wrong with what you are doing.  Kicking full rudders shouldn't put into you into an accelerated stall situation.  However, pulling back on the stick all the way into your guts will get you into an accelerated stall and if that is the time you decide to use any rudder input, no matter how minor will most likely throw you into a spin. 

Which goes to show that you have to make the P-38 spin, it is pretty hard to get it to do it itself.


ack-ack

[bongaroo]

If you're getting into a spin just by kicking full rudder at the top of a vertical maneuver, something is wrong with what you are doing.  Kicking full rudders shouldn't put into you into an accelerated stall situation.  However, pulling back on the stick all the way into your guts will get you into an accelerated stall and if that is the time you decide to use any rudder input, no matter how minor will most likely throw you into a spin. 

Which goes to show that you have to make the P-38 spin, it is pretty hard to get it to do it itself.


ack-ack

That is probably a more accurate description.  I guess I'm giving full elevator pull and than rudder it into the spin.  I usually only give that much rudder while slow coming off the top of a verticle maneuver.

[Delirium]

As I posted in another thread, I use approx 50% rudder, approx 70% aileron in the same direction with a little elevator to induce the snaproll. The elevator should be the last thing you apply and it dictates how fast/erratic you roll.

The trick is to apply just enough elevator to not stall too long or too fast, recovery becomes harder the longer/faster it is performed. Eventually, you'll know just how much you need and you'll out roll FWs and recover at the just the orientation to the bandit you wanted.

[Hazard69]

As I posted in another thread, I use approx 50% rudder, approx 70% aileron in the same direction with a little elevator to induce the snaproll. The elevator should be the last thing you apply and it dictates how fast/erratic you roll.

The trick is to apply just enough elevator to not stall too long or too fast, recovery becomes harder the longer/faster it is performed. Eventually, you'll know just how much you need and you'll out roll FWs and recover at the just the orientation to the bandit you wanted.

Hmmmm.....thats very, very, very interesting. Explains some of the stuff Ive seen too. Will have to give that a try. Thanks very much!

[Tr1gg22]

I have a squad member who only uses a mouse..He is left handed so most sticks don't work for him.I am really amazed how good he can fly that way.. He has been doing it that way for a few years.I would recommend a stick myself. I have a ch fighterstick, saitek rudder pedals ,and a saitek throttle..Good luck 

[Delirium]

Tell your squadmate to check out Homeboy's site... he'll not only mod the stick and/or throttle for you, but he'll purchase it as well so you get the finished product.

Tell Homeboy that Delirium sent you.

http://snomhf.exofire.net/leftyHOTAS.html

[Ack-Ack]

Tell your squadmate to check out Homeboy's site... he'll not only mod the stick and/or throttle for you, but he'll purchase it as well so you get the finished product.

Tell Homeboy that Delirium sent you.

http://snomhf.exofire.net/leftyHOTAS.html

You should offer the same with your Frankenstein Pro Throttle.


ack-ack

[DaveJ]

Any recommended stick for flying the 38, or is just more of a personal preference for all of you?

[Delirium]

You should offer the same with your Frankenstein Pro Throttle.

I never even thought about my throttle being left or right handed, I guess it is. Not that I would ever get rid of my baby...

[Delirium]

Any recommended stick for flying the 38, or is just more of a personal preference for all of you?

I don't have a problem with any stick, its all personal preference. The one type of stick I don't recommend is twisty sticks (for rudder), you'll find yourself spinning, missing shots, and losing a bit of E here and there on accident because of it.

[DaveJ]

I use a twisty stick but have the deadband and dampening very low for the rudder. That makes it a bit more unsensitive so I don't accidentally miss shots.

Perhaps I should get some rudder pedals though.

[mechanic]

you dont by chance use a microsoft sidewinder do you?  I fully agree with Del that twisty sticks in general are a problem for smooth control, and being a lazy bum i never had pedals and used some terrible twisty contraptions. The sidewinder on the other hand is the closest thing you can get to pedal control in a twisty stick. the only decent thing microsoft ever made along with the flight sim series. (curses double broken xbox)

[DaveJ]

you dont by chance use a microsoft sidewinder do you?  I fully agree with Del that twisty sticks in general are a problem for smooth control, and being a lazy bum i never had pedals and used some terrible twisty contraptions. The sidewinder on the other hand is the closest thing you can get to pedal control in a twisty stick. the only decent thing microsoft ever made along with the flight sim series. (curses double broken xbox)

I'm actually using a Logitech 3D Pro. 

I only switched to using a stick a month ago after 4 and half years of playing with a mouse.