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Offline MiloMorai

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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2008, 06:58:08 AM »
Well, the 262 (at first) could have been it. Hitler wanted the 262 to be a bomber..... and the 262 was actually a temporarey bomber shortly though, it was a fighter. The airmen coulda seen a whole lot more 262s if they hadn't wasted their time trying to make it a bomber.

Hitler's idea was not that bad as the 262 was the only German a/c that could with relative impunity drop bombs on Allied targets. German prop jobs were just padding Allied pilots 'kill' tallies.

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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2008, 07:42:52 AM »
Avro Manchester.
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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2008, 09:17:03 AM »
Hitler's idea was not that bad as the 262 was the only German a/c that could with relative impunity drop bombs on Allied targets. German prop jobs were just padding Allied pilots 'kill' tallies.

He still blew too much of his time trying to make it a better bomber when it coulda been attacking enemy B-17s. Thank god for Hitler's noobish tardness.  :aok :lol
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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2008, 09:30:31 AM »
He still blew too much of his time trying to make it a better bomber when it coulda been attacking enemy B-17s. Thank god for Hitler's noobish tardness.  :aok :lol

One of the great strengths of Liberal democracy in war is if the leader looses the plot there is a mechanism for their removal. Chamberlain in the Uk was a good example. Rossevelt and Churchill stood the test (except Roosevelt didnt understand the Soviets too well, thought Britain would be the post war threat). If they hadn't kept on track they would have been gone and throughout they new they were accountable. Hitler became an hysterical paranoid amphetamine addict who lost his grip on reality and the only way to get rid of him failed.

Worst plane could also be the Bristol Blenheim. 
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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2008, 11:07:53 AM »
One of the great strengths of Liberal democracy in war is if the leader looses the plot there is a mechanism for their removal. Chamberlain in the Uk was a good example. Rossevelt and Churchill stood the test (except Roosevelt didnt understand the Soviets too well, thought Britain would be the post war threat). If they hadn't kept on track they would have been gone and throughout they new they were accountable. Hitler became an hysterical paranoid amphetamine addict who lost his grip on reality and the only way to get rid of him failed.

Worst plane could also be the Bristol Blenheim. 

Yep Hitler didn't make too good friends. Was always too paranoid which became his end (invasion of Russia and declaration of war agains the U.S.)
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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2008, 11:39:20 AM »
He still blew too much of his time trying to make it a better bomber when it coulda been attacking enemy B-17s. Thank god for Hitler's noobish tardness.  :aok :lol

It took no time at all to put bomb shackles on the 262. The biggest hold-up was the engines.

I suggest you read the 4 series books on the 262 by Classic written by Smith and Creek.

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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2008, 11:51:01 AM »
I would consider only aircraft that were almost unflyable, for example:
Koolhoven F.K.31: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koolhoven_F.K.31
Caudron C.714:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caudron_C.714
VL Myrsky:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VL_Myrsky

All such disasters that (Finnish) pilots actually refused or at least were afraid to fly them. All the other aircraft (and car) mentioned so far were great in comparison.


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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2008, 12:04:57 PM »
Avro Manchester.

Would that count on pair with the He-177?
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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2008, 02:07:25 PM »
LA7 was the WORST aircraft of all time
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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2008, 04:45:46 PM »
La-7 owns the LaGG  :devil
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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2008, 10:20:59 PM »
ME-262

huge resource hog, material, men, and time wasted on something intended to turn the tide, but only hastened the end.

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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2008, 01:16:12 AM »
(except Roosevelt didnt understand the Soviets too well, thought Britain would be the post war threat).
 

1. Roosevelt was many things. One of the things he was not was stupid enough to seriously believe the Brits would be the threat and that the Soviets wouldn't.  :uhoh

2. Roosevelt also said "Nothing in politics happens by accident."  :eek:
 
3. The greatest strength of "Liberal Democracies" as opposed to outright dictatorships is, that by the clever expedient of changing figureheads every so often and not openly bludgeoning people with rifle-butts (as much), the governments of these Liberal Democracies give the people the impression that they have something do with what the government does, thus blunting any natural and healthy impulse of the people to "water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants."  :devil 

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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2008, 02:11:46 AM »
Well, the 262 (at first) could have been it. Hitler wanted the 262 to be a bomber..... and the 262 was actually a temporarey bomber shortly though, it was a fighter. The airmen coulda seen a whole lot more 262s if they hadn't wasted their time trying to make it a bomber.

The 262 wasn't a waste, Hitler was ;)

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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2008, 03:36:08 AM »
Galland claimed that it was the redesign of the 262 that delayed production so much. (AFAIK). However, once the airframes were in production, the engines were behind.
In fact the engines never really became ready...
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Re: What was the worst plane that was ever made?
« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2008, 06:09:26 AM »
1. Roosevelt was many things. One of the things he was not was stupid enough to seriously believe the Brits would be the threat and that the Soviets wouldn't.  :uhoh

2. Roosevelt also said "Nothing in politics happens by accident."  :eek:
 
3. The greatest strength of "Liberal Democracies" as opposed to outright dictatorships is, that by the clever expedient of changing figureheads every so often and not openly bludgeoning people with rifle-butts (as much), the governments of these Liberal Democracies give the people the impression that they have something do with what the government does, thus blunting any natural and healthy impulse of the people to "water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants."  :devil 

1) I cant agree although it may have been Truman who compounded the damage. Stalin new that Churchill was on to him and that both deeply mistrusted eachother. Roosevelt thought that post war the dismatleing of the British Empire best served American Trading/Imperialist interests (maybe) but in the process overlooking the real threat. Rossevelt told Churchill he new best how to handle Stalin and the Soviets. He Like Truman was  concerned the soviets  shpould join the war with Japan and did not atach enough importance to soviet expansion in Europe believing Churchill was prejudice against Stalin where he had an affinity with this young developing nation.
It was precisely this attitude toward what he percieved to be the conflicting interests of Britain and USA that colouresd his judgement. Remember at the start of WW2 Britain had the largest navy in the world and a quarter of the worlds population were part of the British Empire and its commonwealth. UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa all loyal allies willing to fight to defend the mother country without first having to be atacked. India (including Pakistan and Bangaldesh), Ceylon Malaya, Burma, parts of China, much of the Middle East including Palastine/Israel, much or central Africa and even parts of South America. In short the biggest empire in the history of the world and pottentially looking to take over what Germany, Italy and France had just lost in Africa and the Far east. That is what Roosevelt did not want to go back to.     

History proved Churchill right in his fears and reservations as he had been about Hitler.

3)Liberal democracies do not confer power equally or true equality but they do allow for stable competing elites with a high measure of consensus. The process of legitimation does involve some stage management for the consumption of the masses but it is not orchestrated by on individual with absolute power.
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